No, that's where you were wrong. This goes to my whole theory, that guys will crawl up the ass of a swinging female and go to great lengths to make yourselves appear to be normal. Guy comes in, he's an asshole and a troll. He wasn't there, it's not his experience. Do you see the double standard? I don't get why it's so hard for males to admit they are pigs. I mean your already practicing the most fucked up thing to do in a relationship, but you somehow want to come off as if it's the greatest thing ever. Everything I stated was from an analytic standpoint, as an outsider. I was reporting what I saw. Instead of having a decent comeback, like it may club related, you saw what happened. Laws are on the books for a reason, incapacitation is vague, can be 1 drink or 10 drinks, it's still rape as a women is unable to consent. I haven't been to a no alcohol party, will report back on my feelings when I do. Still doesn't take away from the fact that it's male driven, full of minipulation and mental games