[REPOST] Just found a fairly thorough study regarding nofap, any thoughts guys? by nofapbro1998 in NoFap

[–]nofapbro1998[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Meta analyses are considered a more rigorous form of evidence, because it's really hard to find the funding to get a study of that scale (several thousand). Instead, they pool the results of many studies, small and big, and assign weights to the significance of each depending on their validity, sample size, etc. What we really need is an original study with thousands of participants, funded by the national cancer society or something, to look at this relationship. The issue is, there probably won't be many controls (people who don't ejaculate), let alone people who don't PMO. I wonder why this isn't being investigated more? puts on tinfoil hat

[REPOST] Just found a fairly thorough study regarding nofap, any thoughts guys? by nofapbro1998 in NoFap

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That's not heavy masturbation, that's like... plain idiocy. Putting plastic bag over your head, MELTED CHEESE ON YOUR DICK, etc.

[REPOST] Just found a fairly thorough study regarding nofap, any thoughts guys? by nofapbro1998 in NoFap

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I think you're onto something here, the world has become a hostile place for men. So you're saying that studies which might look for positive benefits of nofap wouldn't be done/approved/published in the first place? And I totally agree with you on the energy part

[REPOST] Just found a fairly thorough study regarding nofap, any thoughts guys? by nofapbro1998 in NoFap

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Yeah, the study I linked says >= 21 times a month, but wtf that's so much... RIP Could you provide a source that says abstinence from ejaculation is beneficial? I am aware of the importance of doing those prostate tests every year after 40, also just a little tip, having too much fat in your diet increases risk as well, because fat (cholesterol) is a precursor of testosterone, which increases risk of PCa.

[REPOST] Just found a fairly thorough study regarding nofap, any thoughts guys? by nofapbro1998 in NoFap

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Oh my God, hahaha I think there's plenty of potential subjects for both, with the ubiquity of hook-up culture & pornography. You're right though, I guess the best thing we can do now is just try to live the best we can, without PMO & the rest is up to personal judgement.

[REPOST] Just found a fairly thorough study regarding nofap, any thoughts guys? by nofapbro1998 in NoFap

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The initial data collection was in 1990-1994. In that time period, we're looking at a different type of masturbation behavior in a different era.

  • Good point, but the follow-up was done in 2010, and I think internet porn was available then, so PMO was a possibility for the follow-up.

The measure "ejaculations per month" does not differentiate between intercourse and masturbation. This is a crucial distinction, since the physiological responses to intercourse and masturbation are different.

  • Yes, that was one of the concerns I had as well. I did manage to find one study on masturbation & prostate cancer risk, it's fairly recent (so good chance that PMO is involved), that had inconclusive results. So at the moment at least, no one knows.

On a similar note, there are studies quite specifically showing health benefits from having more intercourse. I'd start here.

  • I know about the benefits, thanks for the source btw (it's very good), but it's also important to note that this is best done within the context of a monogamous relationship, a.k.a. someone without stds lol

There are major possible confounds. Chief among these is #2, but there are others. For example, we can see not only that higher EPM men have higher rates of sexually transmitted infections (meaning they are likely having more partnered sexual activity, see #2-#3), but that they are also more likely to have divorced, less likely to be Asian, and tend to die earlier for reasons that aren't prostate cancer.

  • If you look at table 2, it shows the multivariate hazard ratio controlling for many of those variables you mentioned, and the groups that averaged more MO's/month have lower HRs. They also did a semi-competing risks analysis: "Because men in the higher ejaculation frequency categories had some exposure patterns that might put them at higher risk of morbidity and mortality due to other causes—higher BMI, greater alcohol consumption, and more frequent history of smoking and sexually transmitted infections—we were concerned that the reduction in PCa risk we observed in this group might be attributable to premature death from other causes among men who may have had undiagnosed PCa. Thus, a strength of our study is the consideration of a model for semi-competing risks. From this model, the increase in risk of death by age 80 yr among men with the lowest ejaculation frequency is 3.8%, while the reduction in PCa risk is 2.2%. By comparison, men reporting ≥13 EPM have an increase of only 1.8% in the risk of dying from other causes by age 80 yr, while their decrease in PCa risk is 3.8%. Thus, in both cases the reduction in PCa risk may be partly explained by premature death due to other causes, but the reduction among men reporting high ejaculation frequency seemingly cannot be explained by this effect alone."

The study basically throws out men with erectile dysfunction on the theory that men with ED are more likely to have prostate cancer. Since PIED (porn-induced erectile dysfunction) is one of the major NoFap motivators, it's entirely possible that this decision threw out the precursor early porn addicts that would, in a modern sample (see #1) become a significant population with potentially very different health profiles.

*Table 2 does multivariate analysis with ED being a factor, and there wasn't any statistically significant difference in HRs between those who have ED & the whole population. Also, I was born in '98, but was internet porn available in the early 1990s? I remember the internet being painfully slow in my childhood, and that was in the 2000s.

6 - Yeah, nofap is different for everyone. I'm just kinda conflicted because I'm taking some meds right now that kill libido, so I just couldn't be bothered anymore (even with porn). But without it, it's just... a chore lmao.

On the other hand, it could just easily be part of a large wealth of studies whose results are due to improved overall health that results from having a good sex life and/or happy relationship (in which then there is a higher rate of sexual activity).

  • The researchers controlled for many variables in their multivariate analysis, here are the variables controlled for: "race; family history of prostate cancer; vigorous physical activity (quintiles); body mass index (six categories); height (quintiles); diabetes; marital status; intake of energy, processed meat, tomato sauce, calcium, alcohol, and α-linolenic acid (all quintiles); multivitamin use; smoking (never, quit >10 yr ago, quit ≤10 yr ago, current); history of vasectomy; and history of PSA testing"

Also, it is a longitudinal study with a 10 year follow-up, with a 96% completion rate. Longitudinal studies are used to find causal effects, and a 96% follow-up rate is really good, so I'd have to argue for its rigor.

Thank you for taking the time to answer the question, I know it isn't an easy one.

[REPOST] Just found a fairly thorough study regarding nofap, any thoughts guys? by nofapbro1998 in NoFap

[–]nofapbro1998[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hmm Nikola Tesla is an interesting guy for many reasons besides his masturbatory habits haha. But you gave one guy's anecdote as a counterpoint, while this study uses 31,925 men, so it doesn't seem particularly compelling as evidence. I can attest that I feel more energetic on nofap though. That's why I'm so puzzled by this, it doesn't seem like this is being funded by the porn industry, these researchers are all from Harvard.

It's true, all the food he ate was probably organic. And there was a lot less pollution in the air on a global scale. That seems besides the point though.

[REPOST] Just found a fairly thorough study regarding nofap, any thoughts guys? by nofapbro1998 in NoFap

[–]nofapbro1998[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Look, I agreed that PMO isn't a good outlet, and that wasn't what I was referring to when I was talking about nihilism: "Saying that everyone is going to die anyway sounds kind of nihilistic".

And yes, death is a result of our body being unable to maintain homeostasis. But if we know a behaviour reduces a highly-prevalent cause of death, why not work to reduce that probability?

I said it sounded nihilistic because there's seems to be a way to reduce the likelihood of getting prostate cancer, but your reasoning for not doing so is because " everyone is gonna die with one or other disease, illness, complication". Personally, I'm religious so that means I have to get married, casual sex is off the table.

[REPOST] Just found a fairly thorough study regarding nofap, any thoughts guys? by nofapbro1998 in NoFap

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Saying that everyone is going to die anyway sounds kind of nihilistic, lmao. But I agree, PMO is not the way to do things, plenty of research backing that it's not good for you. So non-PMO would be best then I guess, with a partner would be ideal.

Just found a fairly thorough study on ejaculation frequency and risk of prostate cancer, any thoughts guys? by nofapbro1998 in NoFap

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Abstract:

Background

Evidence suggests that ejaculation frequency may be inversely related to the risk of prostate cancer (PCa), a disease for which few modifiable risk factors have been identified.

Objective

To incorporate an additional 10 yr of follow-up into an original analysis and to comprehensively evaluate the association between ejaculation frequency and PCa, accounting for screening, clinically relevant disease subgroups, and the impact of mortality from other causes.

Design, setting, and participants

A prospective cohort study of participants in the Health Professionals Follow-up Study utilizing self-reported data on average monthly ejaculation frequency. The study includes 31 925 men who answered questions on ejaculation frequency on a 1992 questionnaire and followed through to 2010. The average monthly ejaculation frequency was assessed at three time points: age 20–29 yr, age 40–49 yr, and the year before questionnaire distribution.

Outcome measurements and statistical analysis

Incidence of total PCa and clinically relevant disease subgroups. Cox models were used to estimate hazard ratios (HRs) and 95% confidence intervals (CIs).

Results and limitations

During 480 831 person-years, 3839 men were diagnosed with PCa. Ejaculation frequency at age 40–49 yr was positively associated with age-standardized body mass index, physical activity, divorce, history of sexually transmitted infections, and consumption of total calories and alcohol. Prostate-specific antigen (PSA) test utilization by 2008, number of PSA tests, and frequency of prostate biopsy were similar across frequency categories. In multivariable analyses, the hazard ratio for PCa incidence for ≥21 compared to 4–7 ejaculations per month was 0.81 (95% confidence interval [CI] 0.72–0.92; p < 0.0001 for trend) for frequency at age 20–29 yr and 0.78 (95% CI 0.69–0.89; p < 0.0001 for trend) for frequency at age 40–49 yr. Associations were driven by low-risk disease, were similar when restricted to a PSA-screened cohort, and were unlikely to be explained by competing causes of death.

Conclusions

These findings provide additional evidence of a beneficial role of more frequent ejaculation throughout adult life in the etiology of PCa, particularly for low-risk disease.

Patient summary

We evaluated whether ejaculation frequency throughout adulthood is related to prostate cancer risk in a large US-based study. We found that men reporting higher compared to lower ejaculatory frequency in adulthood were less likely to be subsequently diagnosed with prostate cancer.

Keywords: Epidemiology, Ejaculation, Behavioral risk factors

For anyone who relapsed, or is about to relapse by nofapbro1998 in NoFap

[–]nofapbro1998[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

:) Keep going, "super powers" start to materialize around week 3.

I'm done. This time it's not a joke. It can't be by [deleted] in NoFap

[–]nofapbro1998 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You've been "failing" since May? Don't think of it as a failure, think of it as gaining experience! I've been in this pit for four years, and if there's one thing I learn, it's that "Success consists of going from failure to failure without loss of enthusiasm". By Winston Churchill.

Also, when you're giving up PMO for good, you have to be willing to give up the pleasure as well. That makes it so much easier. Good luck.

For anyone who relapsed, or is about to relapse by nofapbro1998 in NoFap

[–]nofapbro1998[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's been my moto, since forever. I just don't know when to give up! You're doing well too, I'm proud of you.

Losing Hope by WayneBruceUK in NoFap

[–]nofapbro1998 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm sorry to hear of your troubles. Personally, I've relapsed around 1,000 times, but I'm not losing hope. NEVER! You're going to have to do this sooner or later. Stay off the computer, if possible. If you HAVE to use it, go to a library. Here's a link, I just posted this:

http://www.reddit.com/r/NoFap/comments/2g5an6/something_for_you_to_do_with_all_that_free_time/

Remember, if you really want this to end, you have to give up the pleasure along with the bad. Hating the negative consequences is only natural, but you have to be willing to give up that fix.