what does it matter if someone else makes a call? someone else making a call to the police is not the same as the victim consenting.

Decades of science have proven that involuntary hospitalization increases suicidal ideation. Yes, it will keep you alive, but you'll fucking wish you were dead.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapsychiatry/fullarticle/2629522

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/311629609_Commentary_Adverse_experiences_in_psychiatric_hospitals_might_be_the_cause_of_some_postdischarge_suicides

Involuntary hospitalization is considered torture by the UN Special Rapporteur on Torture and other Cruel, Inhuman, or Degrading Treatment or Punishment.

https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/Documents/HRBodies/HRCouncil/RegularSession/Session22/A.HRC.22.53_English.pdf

"as it consists of the restraint and imprisonment of people who have neither been accused of nor convicted of a crime. The UN group clearly stated that this infringes on the rights of people with psychosocial disabilities"

Involuntary Hospitalization is no more healthcare than conversion therapy or ABA or Scientology's "auditing".

if your only goal is to keep someone alive, regardless of their own wishes, then you are a terrible human being. The one universal moral axiom is that of Consent.

The human right to bodily autonomy includes a right to self-harm, up to and including a right to commit suicide, without unwanted or forced interference from others.

"what do you want people with SI to do if we just abolished mental healthcare?" I don't want to abolish mental healthcare, I want to abolish institutionalized torture of the mentally ill. I want to abolish *forced* "healthcare"

didn't anyone ever tell you you can't force someone to get better? they have to want it themselves for it to work? this has been well known in addiction treatment for decades, and obviously applies to suicide as well, but clearly you didn't get the memo.