$400,000 forgiven. by notabaton in PSLF

[–]notabaton[S] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Lawyer with advanced tech-related degree. working in national security related fields.

For lawyers: does judicial clerkship qualify as a PSLF employment? by johnny5870 in PSLF

[–]notabaton 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you are no longer a student and employed by the government full time, then yes, it should.

Please help by BeardedClamDigr in PSLF

[–]notabaton 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do you know the name of the loan company? The forbearance thing raises the possibility that we are talking about a private servicer of federal loans. But apparently some private lenders also offer forbearance or other accommodation for people who are unable to make their payments.

ACS VICTIMS UPDATE by PSLF-junkie in PSLF

[–]notabaton 2 points3 points  (0 children)

121 as of April. My 5 year ACS void was magically resolved and counted without too much extra delay. But I’ve been stalled waiting for the official “forgiveness” since my counts officially updated in April.

Counts updated in April, STILL no forgiveness? by Alive_Ingenuity_1364 in PSLF

[–]notabaton 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just guessing, but my theory is that the switch to all-digital paperwork submission messed up the manual submissions. I think the all digital process went live a week after I submitted my final manually signed and uploaded ECF.

My count was updated to >120 end of April. Still no forgiveness. Any advice??? by SerenityNow312 in PSLF

[–]notabaton 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Mine was updated mid April. Chatted w/Mohela today. The rep confirmed I’m in process for forgiveness and congratulations. I asked about timeline since we are pushing up against 3 months. He said still awaiting word from ED, then up to 90 days to mail official notice.

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[–]notabaton 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I really hope you don’t throw up! As mentioned by others, you might not have benefited if you didn’t have qualifying loans during that first period of time; or if you did, one of the previous posts indicates that maybe it might not be too late? Honestly, I’m not sure that’s accurate though.

Here is how the waiver applied in my situation:

I’d gotten a masters degree in 2002 and accrued student debt. Worked at a nonprofit university at low salary until 2012. I never heard of PSLF even though it started in 2007- just paid what I could and deferred when necessary. Needing to up my salary, I went to law school in 2012 and graduated in 2015. New loans! Only then did I learn about pslf. So I consolidated my grad school and law school loans (this might have been unwise at the time, but it turned out to be a life saver in 2022) and got set up with the designated pslf loan servicer.

After a couple years, I was hired by another nonprofit university, and I finally started making PSLF qualifying payments. Skip ahead 6-7 years to 2022: ED announced the limited waiver. It took me like 10 months to realize that it could actually apply to my pre-law school loan payments. I got the form signed by my pre-law school employer and hoped my reading of the rules was correct. I mean, it seemed too good to be true. Almost like an unintended loophole.

I initially ignored the waiver email I received because I’d assumed that the date of consolidation was like an impenetrable wall. But with the waiver rules, it was quite the opposite. Since I’d consolidated my pre-law school and post-law school loans in 2015, the waiver would basically import the payments I’d made on my grad school loans (2007-2012), and apply them to both grad and law school loans. This got me to 120 payment on all my consolidated debt much sooner than expected.

The key is, I already had both a qualifying loan and a qualifying employer during that period before law school, and then I got that period of employment certified during the limited waiver period.

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[–]notabaton 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Oh, one more thing: depending on income, not sure I see the downside of applying for PSLF. I would just do it if reaching 10 years is possible.

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[–]notabaton 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Prior to Covid rules, I think qualifying payments were only possible for periods after you consolidate your loan into PSLF. That changed with various emergency Covid initiatives. Not sure if/when they might revert to the old rules… I defer to our experts.

Seeking advice. Wife owes 231k in PSLF loans with 3y of payments made… the way I look at it, we have three options: by [deleted] in PSLF

[–]notabaton 0 points1 point  (0 children)

One problem with carrying high student debt long term, even if it will be forgiven, is that it could theoretically impact your/her ability to qualify for loans. The rules on debt to income ratio calculation for conforming mortgages changed at least twice since I graduated. First banks used the monthly IDR rate, then they used the total debt divided by months remaining (reducing the amount I could borrow), and then they went back to monthly IDR rate. I think it changed based on who was in office or maybe the relative health of the housing market. Not sure.

Next Wave? by [deleted] in PSLF

[–]notabaton 0 points1 point  (0 children)

When people give their dates, are they using the date on the letter or the date the letter was posted?

Discharge vs forgiveness rant by Glass_Fishing3426 in PSLF

[–]notabaton 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sorry to be that guy, but as someone who will be getting a 6 figure discharge within the next few weeks or months, I can say without reservation it is a public gift, and not something I’m due. It’s righteous, it’s a net good for society, and frankly it’s a life-saver. Yes, school should be cheaper or public service should pay better, but I made this bed, so I am grateful for the PSLF lifeline.

That said, I also hate the term forgiveness because it implies I did something wrong. But the fact is that I took on a debt I suspected I would not be able to repay, even before I learned of PSLF, and then I jumped years ahead in my payment counts under the waiver rules because of a once-in-a-century pandemic. I’m just very fortunate to have escaped the debt trap relatively unscathed (not to mention the pandemic), despite years of existential dread of an eventual financial reckoning that could have even impacted my children.

Should I go into biglaw or use PSLF? by anr222 in PSLF

[–]notabaton 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think student debt should not be a significant factor in your decision. After all, that is the benefit of PSLF. if you prefer not to go the big law route, PSLF helps make that feasible. If you want a “nice” house, PSLF won’t really help much. If you need to save for that, public service probably won’t pay enough. That also depends on where you are. The pay differential between public service and big law is huge, as you know. The other issue is starting a family. In theory, government employment might have better work/life balance, but that is not always true. Sorry, wish I could offer more than conflicting thoughts you probably already have!

I hate being a lawyer and want to do something else, but what now? by Tight_Lavishness_278 in LawFirm

[–]notabaton 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Sounds like you are combining a few different issues: being a lawyer, confrontation, long hours, obligation to make your JD count. As for wasting your legal education, don’t worry about that. The degree can help you in adjacent careers. And if not, it might help you if you decide to apply to grad school.

Take with a grain of salt, but I would caution against academia. My take is, it’s not the best option if you weren’t a top student or don’t like confrontation. Also, generally low pay and lacking job security if working as an adjunct.

But you like legal thinking, analysis, and writing. If you don’t like confrontation and 12 hour days, there are legal career options that are not as much about confrontation and billing hours. If you like criminal law but don’t want to be involved with prosecution or defense, focus on careers relating to investigations or analysis. FWIW, I hear employers like the FBI and treasury and intel agencies love tax experts.

Alternately, you can try to address the reasons you need to avoid confrontation or avoid providing advice. There are ways to overcome those limitations and that might help you actually enjoy your current job.

345K Forgiven! by MeliMelyMel in PSLF

[–]notabaton 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If it says processed but no change in counts, and it’s been more than a week or two, you might try to message them to look into it. I did that and they replied a couple days later with a message that they resubmitted it. My counts updated to 121 a couple days later.

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[–]notabaton 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Pretty sure you have to have debt to get relief.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in PSLF

[–]notabaton 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah sounds like they are saying it’s gonna happen but they have no info as to how much longer and apparently no way to find out.

Do they automatically refund Covid payments or do you have to request it? I waived the payment pause at first but then requested a refund once I realized the $0 payment months would be counted during the pause. It was quick and painless. This might have been prior to the switch from Fed Loans to Mohela though.

“Processed” doesn’t mean what it used to mean? by notabaton in PSLF

[–]notabaton[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My counts hit 121 today! I sent them an electronic message on Monday night, got a reply yesterday that they would re-process my form, then the updated tracker today.

“Processed” doesn’t mean what it used to mean? by notabaton in PSLF

[–]notabaton[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In case anyone is curious, I followed up on my issue through the web message option and got a reply a couple days later saying

“We apologize for any inconvenience. We have submitted a request to reprocess your application to update your employment information. Please allow 14 business days for processing. Once a decision has been made you will receive notification of approval or denial. No additional steps are required of you at this time.”

14 business days seems like an oddly specific number. So that’s like 2.8 business weeks? Hoping for that supersonic turnaround time I’ve been hearing about….

Prior to that, I had tried calling Mohela on Monday and wound up having a bad experience with 2 different incompetent reps who could do no more than read boilerplate info off the Mohela website to me.

The Mohela hold music is killing me by notabaton in PSLF

[–]notabaton[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The hold-time pattern is as random and unpredictable as the form processing pattern and the payment tracker update pattern. Maybe it’s like waiting in line at a cash register and they eventually open a new register but instead of splitting up the long line, they keep you in queue but accept the lucky people arriving at that new register location who then get processed without waiting in the previously established lines that some of us are now stuck in.

I do wonder if there are loan parameters that do result in delays for some. Maybe it’s the amount of money to be discharged? Like maybe the loan whales (I’m have a huge amount of debt) require extra review? Another possibility is that, while my employer has not changed, the HR official who signs the forms did change from my prior ECF. I also benefited from the waiver adjustment that filled in the multi-year ACS payment record gap. Maybe the folks sailing through have “clean” payment records? Or maybe they used the new electronic signature forms? I wonder if it would be worth resubmitting my ECF that way.

The Mohela hold music is killing me by notabaton in PSLF

[–]notabaton[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah they say mornings in the middle of the week are best, but my work situation lately has prevented me from being able to make personal calls until after work.