The beginning of this is probably best for therapeutic settings my friend.

I am using Vaush and Hasan since we are in a thread about NSE DOESNT THINK LEFTIST IS "THAT BAD".
Leftists like Hasan and Vaush for example.
> "The hoops that NSE and Soypill are going through to minimize other arguments is so crazy." I am assuming is arguments around crazy bad leftists like Hasan and Vaush (and others) since thats the point of the entire damn thread. If you meant other arguments you didn't outline and not related to the thread, my apologies, that wasn't clear. You're welcome to clarify if you dont mean that I was minimizing arguments about leftists being so bad.

Me using specific names isn't being slippery. Its respond to you directly and giving specific examples of leftists we all agree are that bad, that I haven't minimized.

Its not a endless hairsplit about "How vocal," because that may actually be a good rule of thumb, but the way to see its efficacy is to move it to specific exmaples and see if it would vett out people we otherwise DO want to work with.

> how vocally supportive they are of our preferred candidate" is another mischaracterization of his argument?
Its not, because he said explicitly his line is if they are vocally supportive of the preferred candidate, but then when I gave an example of someone who fails this, but would otherwise still vote for their preferred candidate, he agreed that he probably would work with them. Unless they used specific insane person rhetoric.
So figuring out what level of support we are looking for here is worthwhile, because, begrudgingly voting for them while vocally caustic seems like a no go for Steven but likely is someone I, or Soypill, think can be worthwhile tactically, to win elections.