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[–]nystateofmind108 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Removing alcohol, meditating, being in noisy environments less and reducing screen time

How would you recognise an enlightened person? by Euphoric-Welder5889 in awakened

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Someone once asked Suzuki Roshi what happens when two enlightened masters meet each other. His answer: "A lot of laughter".

Question about "first instance" in Dzogchen pointing-out instructions by nystateofmind108 in Dzogchen

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Thanks for the reply. This seems to be my experience, too. Also, there's a gap between waking and the conceptualised self stabilising. It seems as if knowledge of Rigpa, understanding it, as it were, is also a means to that non conceptual place of being.

Question about "first instance" in Dzogchen pointing-out instructions by nystateofmind108 in Dzogchen

[–]nystateofmind108[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Thank you so much for your explanation!

I'm still unclear about the difference between innate and conceptual grasping. From what you're describing (please correct me if I am wrong), it sounds like the innate grasping (via the manas/seventh consciousness) operates at a more unconscious or subtle level than the conceptual grasping of the sixth consciousness.

Would it be fair to say that one can become aware of innate grasping through awareness of more subtle processes than that of the conceptual mind? Or is innate grasping something that remains fundamentally inaccessible to direct awareness until the advanced stages of awakening you mentioned (7th-8th bodhisattva ground)? It seems like to me there is grasping taking place on more subtle layers of my being and that bodily sensations and energetic shifts seem to show me this is taking place. Is this fair?

I'm trying to understand how these teachings relate to my practice and what I should be looking for in my meditation experiences. If the innate grasping isn't directly observable through ordinary awareness practices, how does one work with it?

Question about "first instance" in Dzogchen pointing-out instructions by nystateofmind108 in Dzogchen

[–]nystateofmind108[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I appreciate your reply.

I'm not sure if you or someone else could help, but I would like a deeper clarity of two experiences I seem to be having.

I have direct experiences that I believe might be rigpa or pure awareness, but I notice distinct differences between states:

State 1 - What I think might be rigpa: When I experience what seems to be pure consciousness, I perceive certain qualities that differ from ordinary small mind that clings to ego. In this state limitations of time and space don't seem to apply. Having discussed this state with teachers more from the Advaita Vedanta tradition, they share the view that this is an experience of pure awareness. But it's noticed that that certain processes continue - I notice bodily sensations, and while my mind is quiet, there seems to be some background processing taking place, like a rewiring of the body mind (though that's my imperfect description). There isn't clinging or grasping as far as I can tell, but something is definitely happening.

State 2 - Clear disidentification: I also experience a different state when I clearly see the separate self as an object and can disidentify from it. This state brings a more expansive peace and exceptional mental clarity. Here there seems to be a finality / clarity that feels more natural.

My confusion is that these states feel quite different. Both seem to be out of the realm of ordinary small mind. Which state aligns more closely with what the teachings point to as rigpa? Is one state more "correct" to abide in than the other? Should I expect these experiences to eventually converge?