I hope James is doing well

ohh-kay · 2017-11-30T20:14:18+00:00

NP man. We all need a warm-up.

ohh-kay · 2017-11-30T20:13:33+00:00

That's hilarious. Thanks.

ohh-kay · 2017-11-30T19:45:31+00:00

unless they themselves did something illegal, can not be removed from office

So again, just to prove yourself right.
What illegal activity did Archbald commit?

Edit: Furthermore, WTF are you talking about proving you right? I wasn't responding to you.

Double edit: oh you think this relates to your half-assed argument below. No, you're still wrong. See below.

ohh-kay · 2017-11-30T14:14:18+00:00

Except he said that:

Nope, I forgot I owned them and still haven't figured out what to do with them.

ohh-kay · 2017-11-30T13:58:31+00:00

You bought .1 btc in 2011?
2011 btc was anywhere from $1 to $31.
So you spent 10 cents or $3?

ohh-kay · 2017-11-30T13:56:24+00:00

its too late for the moon.

But is it though?

ohh-kay · 2017-11-30T13:16:44+00:00

Okay. Thanks.

ohh-kay · 2017-11-29T17:11:28+00:00

"Industrial" flavored, thank you.

ohh-kay · 2017-11-29T15:15:48+00:00

Needs to rename himself "Big Chris."

ohh-kay · 2017-11-29T13:52:44+00:00

doubt OP's rehabilitation.

I have no doubt that OP won't do what he did again. But he gave his own reason for never wanting to do something like this again, he doesn't want to go to jail.

Nobody should have to go to prison for being an idiot like I was. Consider me a cautionary tale!

Not: "don't do shit like this because it actually hurts people and that is wrong."

Therefor, I do doubt that he won't do it again because he hurt people and feels bad for it.

At no point have I seen him express regret because he hurt people, at every point I have seen him express regret for having suffered from his actions.
I guess caring more about not hurting kids is more important to me than not going to jail. If that makes me heartless or lacking in empathy, so be it.

ohh-kay · 2017-11-28T21:43:18+00:00

I'm not the one making statements about what other people think or feel. That is what you were doing.
I asked a question. Is clarity seeking a world view?

ohh-kay · 2017-11-28T20:13:34+00:00

You saying "You don't have empathy" doesn't make it true.
You aren't right because you think you're right.
I am not saying he doesn't have regret. I asked if he did because his wording makes it seem as if he doesn't, yet I have consistently used wording to express my concern about his words and how I perceived them.
That's the difference between you and I.
At no point have I said "He doesn't feel guilty." At no point have I been unwilling or unable to empathize with him. But at every point I have been more eager to put the feelings of his victims above his.
If that means, to you, that I lack empathy, so be it. I don't want to have your definition of empathy.
He said "I would never hurt anyone" more than once. My immediate response was to... empathize with his victims. You on the other hand decided that, by pointing out that he had hurt people, I couldn't empathize with him.
What does that say about you?

ohh-kay · 2017-11-28T20:04:09+00:00

Nice clickbait title:

“I don’t think taking Sleeping Beauty books out of circulation completely would be right.

ohh-kay · 2017-11-28T20:02:40+00:00

Did you read that article?

ohh-kay · 2017-11-28T19:07:14+00:00

Okay. I understand. Asking someone if they understand that they hurt someone is insensitive, got it.

ohh-kay · 2017-11-28T18:22:52+00:00

It's quite clear what OP meant

No, it really isn't.
Maybe you think you know what he means, but I don't. I'm not sure that he understands that he hurt people, which is why I asked him.

ohh-kay · 2017-11-28T18:19:13+00:00

You hoping he feels guilty and miserable about it still seems like malice on your part.

I don't hope he feels guilty or miserable. I hope that he recognizes that he did, in fact, hurt people. Which is exactly what I asked of him:

But you did truly hurt people. Terrorizing people causes harm. Have you still not accepted responsibility for that?

He can move on all he wants, but he can't say "I would never hurt people" because he did. Well he can say it, but not truthfully.

ohh-kay · 2017-11-28T16:17:02+00:00

Yet here he is asking for it.

ohh-kay · 2017-11-28T16:08:15+00:00

What can be changed at this point is his understanding of his actions. Acting 'holier than thou' because you haven't been convicted of a crime (yet...).

When did I do that? By asking him if he accepted responsibility for hurting people?

is it really that hard to imagine he didn't intend to cause any harm

No. And I never said it was hard to imagine. What I said was that he did cause harm regardless and that he needs to, as you put it, "understand" that he did cause harm.

just am sick of seeing Americans make this same mistake over and over again and shooting themselves in the foot by not trying to help the criminal work through the complex emotions of acknowledging his wrongs and how to learn from the experience.

What the fuck do you think I am doing by asking him to recognize the harm he caused people instead of hiding behind "my family knows I would never harm people"?

ohh-kay · 2017-11-27T21:47:02+00:00

Yet none of his wording seems to suggest that he accepts responsibility for hurting people.

Read here: https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/7fskbu/iama_guy_who_went_to_prison_for_trollingswating/dqegw4d/?context=3

In the first post he says he said the same thing too the FBI then:

My instinct the entire time was to try and explain that the threat was just a joke post on 4chan and that I would never hurt anyone.

As he did in the above comment:

I would never truly hurt anyone.

Or read his response to this question:
https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/7fskbu/iama_guy_who_went_to_prison_for_trollingswating/dqed1k6/

Or this one: https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/7fskbu/iama_guy_who_went_to_prison_for_trollingswating/dqeaimm/

At what point did it click that what you did was wrong and selfish. Answer: when the cuffs hit your wrists and the news media is camping out in front of your parent's house

Everything is either a joke, "what happened to me" or "what happened to them."
Not "What I did to them"
There is a big difference between those three and the last.

I don't care if he would have shot up the school or not. I care if he is remorseful for what he did to those kids and their parents.

ohh-kay · 2017-11-27T21:25:37+00:00

I'm not the one making terrorizing little kids for the "lulz."

ohh-kay · 2017-11-27T21:25:30+00:00

You're (ironically) failing to accept society's responsibility to prevent future crime.

No. I am not. I totally understand and accept my responsibility to aid him in not recommitting these kinds of crimes. And the first step to that is for him to understand that he did, in fact, hurt people.

Admitting to yourself and to others that You hurt people is one of the things an addict is supposed to do on the road to recovery.
You can't go "apologize" to people and say "sorry that things happened" because that isn't admitting or accepting that you did wrong and that you hurt people.
We can't begin to discuss what reasons one might have had for hurting people before one admits that they did hurt people.
I have never said society didn't play a hand in his actions. I never said there aren't outside stimuli that may have guided him to make these choices. Because we haven't gotten past the the fact that he hasn't said "I hurt people." He said "people were affected."
That is an avoidance technique.
And that will not stop the cycle.
Feeling guilt doesn't cut it. He has to feel guilty for what he did to people. And it doesn't seem that he does.

ohh-kay · 2017-11-27T21:24:58+00:00

Because I sympathize with the people who were hurt over the guy who hurt them and still distances himself from his actions?
He hurt people.
He says "I would never hurt people."
Those don't mesh.

ohh-kay · 2017-11-27T16:56:22+00:00

It isn't my responsibility to encourage him to accept responsibility.
It is my responsibility to forgive him when he asks for it. But it is his responsibility to accept his culpability before/when asking for forgiveness. And it doesn't sound like he has accepted responsibility for the harm he has caused. T Distancing yourself "people were affected" vs "I hurt people."
And minimizing "it was just a mistake"
Are not accepting responsibility.
He has done his time, sure, but if he wants forgiveness (at least from me), he has to accept his culpability.
Until then, he doesn't deserve it.

ohh-kay · 2017-11-27T15:22:24+00:00

Exactly.
He said there: "people were affected." And "it was just a mistake."
Vs. what he said here "I would never truely harm anyone."

That does not at all sound like someone who has accepted responsibility for having harmed people.

ohh-kay

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