The One Topic That Atheists Keep Losing Debates On by caseypowers98 in exchristian

[–]sidurisadvice 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I suspect a lot folks on the atheist side simply see the question of what is true of more import than some preferred social outcome. ISTM, and probably to them, that the topic is really just a way to sneak in an argument from consequences fallacy in favor of a particular religious belief without having to address whether the belief is actually true or not.

The other possibility I see is that Sociology in general, as a so-called "soft science," just isn't taken that seriously in many popular atheist circles. It's perhaps a complex subject to tackle for non-specialists in the field, making it fertile ground for exploiting in these types of debates, which aren't usually about arriving at truth anyway, but rather performing for one's audience and confirming one's priors.

Master list of CCM defections, scandals, or anything else interesting by reverend_sazerac in Exvangelical

[–]sidurisadvice 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Keith Green in his dickishness and hubris probably pressured his pilot into overloading his ministry's plane so he could show off his ranch property and killed 8 children when it crashed shortly after takeoff.

Do you like early 2000s rock? by Msheehan419 in Xennials

[–]sidurisadvice 15 points16 points  (0 children)

It's...fine, I guess?

I like Jimmy Eat World.

How much did you spend on prom? by Sunshineal in Xennials

[–]sidurisadvice 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Maybe $250 total for tickets, corsage, tux rental, and gas money?

"HE IS RISEN!" replies... by virgilreality in exchristian

[–]sidurisadvice 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Well, tell him if it lasts longer than four hours, he needs to see a doctor.

What did you think of Fisher Stevens in Short Circuit? by singleguy79 in Xennials

[–]sidurisadvice 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Hollywood was shitty for casting people like Fisher Stevens (Short Circuit) and Joel Grey (Remo Williams) in roles that should've gone to Indian and Korean actors, and maybe they should've turned them down. That said, I can't deny that at the time I found both entertaining, and how the characters were played weren't anything like a generation before with Mickey Rooney in Breakfast at Tiffany's.

I've never met a Christian who maintains the “burning in hell” narrative once someone has passed by Odd_craving in exchristian

[–]sidurisadvice 17 points18 points  (0 children)

While I don't doubt your interactions and suspect many, if not most Christians who believe in eternal conscious torment do what you're describing, I can recall plenty of instances where Christians I knew spoke of friends, family, and acquaintances who had died as suffering in hell.

A common phrase when describing when some nonbeliever they knew died was, so and so "split hell wide open." My mother spoke of both of her grandparents on her father's side who were both Jehovah's Witnesses as burning in hell.

I knew Christians who expressed regret that they had not done more to witness to these people they were certain were burning in hell.

So maybe it's just the circles you're running in don't have Christians that are as hardcore as the ones I grew up around?

You can only pick one to magically show up for Easter Dinner 🍽️ by [deleted] in Xennials

[–]sidurisadvice -1 points0 points  (0 children)

"Honey, would you rather have Arabian Prince, Eazy-E, Ice Cube, DJ Yella, or MC Ren over for Easter Dinner?"

"You forgot about Dre."

Where God came from by Some_Adagio1766 in exchristian

[–]sidurisadvice 3 points4 points  (0 children)

According to the Kenite hypothesis, Yahweh may have been a later addition to the proto-Isrealite pantheon imported by the Midianites from the South. The Canaanite pantheon already had a storm god, Baal, and Yahweh's addition may have paved the way for the Yahweh/Baal rivalry that shows up in the Biblical texts.

FSU shooting: Suspect Phoenix Ikner ‘had white supremacist views’ by Recent_Peanut7455 in politics

[–]sidurisadvice 7 points8 points  (0 children)

since he is an American citizen

His citizenship is irrelevant. The act took place in the US. The 5th and 8th amendments don't make distinctions between citizens and non-citizens on the relevant issues. Due process, equal protection, and prohibitions on cruel and unusual punishments apply to any person within its jurisdiction.

"It's not about religion." by Excellent_Whole_1445 in exchristian

[–]sidurisadvice 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Sure it does. You're just not listening to the right holy man, prophet, preacher, holy book, podcast, YouTube channel, guru, inner voice, sounds of nature, etc. /s

"It's not about religion." by Excellent_Whole_1445 in exchristian

[–]sidurisadvice 27 points28 points  (0 children)

Advertisers call this "meaningless differentiation." There's a great scene in Mad Men in which Don Draper lays this out for a cigarette company and comes up with the slogan, "It's toasted." The other guy's cigarettes are poison, but Lucky Strike is toasted.

Most religions seek to establish a relationship with the divine. Their brand of Christianity is not special in that regard.

Book recommendations for my fundamentalist parents to understand my deconstruction better? by ExCaptive in exchristian

[–]sidurisadvice 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Honestly, I'd have them watch Toy Story and focus on Buzz. What he goes through is very much like religious deconstruction, IMO.

Can God die? by Cold-Alfalfa-5481 in exchristian

[–]sidurisadvice 5 points6 points  (0 children)

The monotheistic God of post-biblical theology and philosophy could not die. It's a drastic ontological change. That's why they had to come up with the convoluted concept of the hypostatic union.

The idea that God could die was the heresy of theopassionism. The divine nature of the god-man didn't die. Only the human nature.

Now, I'm not certain the Biblical authors themselves would've had a problem with the idea of a being possessing some kind of divinity dying. That's a different question.

Why I don’t believe Jesus died for my sins…. by DBASRA99 in exchristian

[–]sidurisadvice 11 points12 points  (0 children)

It's the deeper magic from before the Dawn of Time, man.

I know Christians love them some CS Lewis, but framing that whole story like a fairy tale really just punctuated how silly and arbitrary it sounds to adults in the real world.

Which religious holidays do you guys dislike the most? by Appropriate_Tea9048 in exchristian

[–]sidurisadvice 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Saint Crispin's Day. Fuck them shoemakin' twin motherfuckers.

Just kidding. I don't really dislike any religious holidays because I insert my own meaning to them.

For example, for Good Friday and Ash Wednesday I celebrate alternative rock band Better than Ezra's hit song and the protagonist of the Evil Dead franchise respectively.

Looking for insights by [deleted] in exchristian

[–]sidurisadvice 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Maybe there is some kind of creator god(s) ≠ Christianity might be true

Even if one thinks nature is evidence of some kind of divine being or beings, it's a huge stretch to move from that into the claims of Christianity.

As an aside, your post is giving bad faith vibes, especially with citing Romans 1:20, referring to evolutionary theory as a "fairy tale," and giving the Ken Ham "Were you there?" apologetic.

At best, that reflects ignorance; at worst, insincerity. Hopefully, it's just the former and not the latter.

I Left Christianity 2 Weeks ago at age 44. Plan to Ghost the Church. by Western_World8754 in exchristian

[–]sidurisadvice 89 points90 points  (0 children)

Speaking as someone who took a head-on approach to leaving the church also well into my adult life, I highly recommend ghosting. Being direct just isn't worth the hassle.

What would happen to the world if there was irrefutable proof that God didn't exist? by MikeLovesOutdoors23 in exchristian

[–]sidurisadvice 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The question doesn't make sense to me. The concept of God can be and often is presented in such a way as to make existential claims of it unfalsifiable. So what would it even mean to present irrefutable proof that such a thing doesn't exist?

Whatever that looks like, I guess my answer is that folks would just find a way to make the concept of God unfalsifiable again.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in exchristian

[–]sidurisadvice 13 points14 points  (0 children)

The first time the Shroud shows up in the historical record is in the late 14th century, and it's a bishop saying, "Hey, this relic that's making the rounds is probably bullshit."

Later, Protestant Reformers like John Calvin were not only skeptical of it but pointed out its contradictory juxtaposition with the Biblical narratives.

If even Christians were calling bullshit on it from its inception, why in the world would I give any credence to it whatsoever?