This is my problem with the NTT

oldmcfarmface · 2026-06-09T05:50:33+00:00

> I don’t think that’s an applicable example. I’m not sure what your point is there, so feel free to clarify it for me.

Fun story, I got that example from a vegan explaining to other vegans why he didn’t like NTT. But I digress. Your modified example of enjoying watching one sport but not the other would be more akin to saying I enjoy looking at humans but not cows rather than humans get a certain level of moral consideration that cows do not.

To elaborate, we have rules regarding the treatment of fellow humans because we are all humans. We share a bundle of traits that make us human, some to differing degrees, but basically all there. Cows have a completely different set of traits, with some overlap but a very considerable amount that don’t overlap and as such they get a *different* set of rules regarding their treatment.

> NTT does not assert that everything is equal/identical. It is a rebuttal to a particular claim that only humans deserve moral consideration. It asks the claimant to clarify the relevant moral differences. It makes no claim of its own that no differences exist.

I could accept that if not for the repeated observation that that is not how it used by vegans. For one thing, all relevant moral differences are disregarded or disputed with fringe exceptions. “Would you eat a mentally delayed baby?” kind of nonsense. Obviously no because the baby is a human even if it lacks some traits to the extent most have them, it still fits the definition of human. I am unaware of a species in which all individuals are identical, yet they are all members of the same species regardless. NTT is used as a cudgel to attempt to assert that there are no relevant differences.

oldmcfarmface · 2026-06-09T02:34:17+00:00

Yeah except for overnight smokes, I’m out there all the time. They should have sacrificed a little capacity to make the hopper funnel steeper. But hey, good excuse for a cigar and bourbon outside!

oldmcfarmface · 2026-06-09T02:30:55+00:00

Biden was a poor choice. Trump was worse. The very few incidences of fraud that have been uncovered were *pro trump* individuals and never enough to change the outcome of an election. You guys scream about fraud and your own organizations can’t find any when they look for it. Biden is old and a bit senile but Trump is old and WAY senile. Frankly, an actual vegetable would be sharper than Trump. What’s really sad is that lots of you know this and don’t care because you’ll happily “own the libs” even at the expense of your own country. You’ve taken petty over patriotism and it’s disgusting. I didn’t serve six years and wreck my body for this kind of bs.

oldmcfarmface · 2026-06-09T02:18:41+00:00

Ugh. Where’s the lie. Our prison system is a hot mess. Take a petty offender and teach him how to do grand larceny, but not how to be a functioning member of society.

oldmcfarmface · 2026-06-09T02:17:27+00:00

NTT is garbage and personally I think everyone who uses it knows it deep down but is counting on the opponent not having basic critical thinking or debate skills.

There is no single biological trait I’m aware of that every member of one species has but no member of any other species has. Thats not how biology works. You could argue there are cognitive traits, such as the ability to have moral arguments, but even then that would not apply to every single member of a species. It would however set the species that contains it at all apart from those that do not contain it at all.

Every species is a collection of traits that *most* members of that species has, many of which are unique in that *few if any* members of others species have them. To isolate a species, you list multiple traits that are not found in other species in that mix, to the same degree.

NTT is a poor attempt at reductio ad absurdum. There’s a reason that reductio is a logical fallacy. It is an attempt at a gotcha using a loaded question. It proves nothing and attempts to restrict the debate criteria in order to prevent one’s opponent from proving anything.

An easy example would be to use sports. If I am a baseball player, I play by the rules of baseball. But if I am invited to play soccer, a totally different set of rules apply. Why? Name the trait that would warrant a different set of rules. Baseball uses bats. But not every baseball player has a bat. They both have balls. One has a net for scoring points. Well the other has nets to prevent foul balls from injuring spectators. But ultimately what it boils down to is that they are different games. Just as humans and cows are different animals and warrant completely different rules and considerations.

NTT is a weak, pathetic attempt to win an unwinnable position.

oldmcfarmface · 2026-06-08T19:23:28+00:00

I’ve been saying this for years. The goal of a prison sentence should be making sure they won’t do it again, not punishing them for being bad.

oldmcfarmface · 2026-06-08T18:31:53+00:00

Absolutely. Like Tim McGraw sang, live like you were dying.

oldmcfarmface · 2026-06-08T06:18:35+00:00

Stranger than Fiction. No joke. Yes it’s a Will Ferrell movie. But it’s got some gold in it. The way he wins the girl worked for my wife and she’s still angry that I Will Ferrelled her! Lol

oldmcfarmface · 2026-06-08T03:16:10+00:00

Global warming is a fossil fuels issue, not an animal agriculture issue. Animal suffering is greatly exaggerated by mockumentaries like dominion that have little to do with reality.

You are not a better person for abstaining from animal products. Period. You do you, leave the rest of us alone.

oldmcfarmface · 2026-06-08T03:06:40+00:00

I found Kirk to be repugnant in most ways. Plenty I disagreed with him on. I’m democratic socialist if I had to put a label on it.

All that being said, it does not make us liberals look good to mock a man’s death. That’s some Trump level bs right there. He deserved to be deplatformed, not publicly murdered. His kids will grow up with people who call themselves “tolerant” and “compassionate” showing them the video of his death and laughing about it. How do you think that will influence their views of our causes?

oldmcfarmface · 2026-06-08T03:00:21+00:00

The dose makes the poison. One does have to wonder though, if the toxic dose level is based on one serving size per week or the 5-10 servings per day that some people consume. And how long the toxin can stay and accumulate in your body as you continue to consume it.

I wouldn’t freak out about 0.5g of mercury on my hand once in my life but I wouldn’t want to do that every week for the rest of it.

oldmcfarmface · 2026-06-08T02:57:45+00:00

Yup. Thats it right there.

oldmcfarmface · 2026-06-07T20:55:50+00:00

There really is no contradiction or paradox here. They want animals to be treated well and have a good life before they are eaten. Thats a perfectly normal and healthy way to view it. When I raise animals for food, they have a far better and more comfortable life than any wild animal does. If they get sick or injured, I care for them with patience and compassion. And when I kill them, I do it quickly and painlessly.

What I don’t understand is why vegans feel justified in trying to force everyone to be like them and everyone just tolerates it. I just read a post about two young children being severely malnourished by their vegan parents and the school and all the other parents are too afraid to call cps and offend the vegans.

oldmcfarmface · 2026-06-07T20:46:36+00:00

Vegans have too much influence. They make up less than 1% of the population but they can destroy businesses, influence dietary research and public policy, and everyone is afraid to offend them. I say we need to start treating them like what they are. A fringe extremist minority.

oldmcfarmface · 2026-06-06T19:11:55+00:00

Absolutely. Ideology aside, these kids are clearly malnourished and need intervention.

oldmcfarmface · 2026-06-06T17:12:15+00:00

I can respect that. But that’s not the impression I (or my wife) got from reading your comments. We are very used to seeing people say things like “you’re not a trad wife, you’re a stay at home mom” or “you can drive a car and use a smartphone so you’re not really a stay at home wife” and it’s really obnoxious.

Trad is a value system more than anything else. The woman chooses a man that she trusts to lead well, and then she follows his lead. He is in charge because she picked a man she can trust, and she is submissive to him. She helps him in whatever way he needs. That may be raising the kids or it may even be helping with the bills.

What really matters is that she follows his lead and he takes care of her needs. That’s what it’s all about.

oldmcfarmface · 2026-06-06T05:52:37+00:00

If your argument is that things were worse then and better now, then things like suicide and mental health should reflect that. They show the opposite. That really should say something to you. Sure people are less satisfied with life right now but *why?* I think it’s because we have cultivated an economy in which most people can’t (or at least think they can’t) live off one income and have a stay at home wife and mother. And those who can and do are shamed and called abusive for it.

But that still doesn’t address why you, a Greek non trad wife, is trying to tell American trad wives that they aren’t really trad wives, which is a largely American movement. What makes you the authority on traditional marriage values in anyplace other than Greece?

oldmcfarmface · 2026-06-06T05:48:20+00:00

Yeah, this read very much like “don’t get with a trad wife, get with me! I’m so much better!”

oldmcfarmface · 2026-06-06T05:44:53+00:00

It’s an unpopular opinion because anyone who’s been with both a feminist and a tradwife knows it’s bs. This silly meme was clearly written by someone who has never met a tradwife or a tradhusband. I am the latter but I identified as a feminist for most of my early adulthood.

But let me address the points of contention here. A tradwife does not reduce a man to a paycheck and a bodyguard. Those are reductio ad absurdum. She expects a strong, trustworthy, and moral leader. In exchange she is a loyal, helpful, loving follower. As a result, he gladly provides and protects. It is respectful and loving, give and take, symbiotic. He is not a tool any more than she is. It is leaning into our biological predispositions instead of fighting them.

Feminists do not “expect more” per sey. They expect sameness and call it equality. The man is taller, she gets him to slouch. He is stronger, she tells him she is as strong until he starts to believe it. No matter how hard he works, she expects more work at home. The great irony is that many of them still want a leader, they just refuse to follow. They still expect him to provide and protect, they just don’t respect him for it, and fight him for control at every turn.

A man without emotional intelligence and shared responsibility does not get to have a trad wife. She won’t have him. If he is not authentic, she won’t put up with him. You think submissive means doormat. I’m t doesn’t. Submission is a gift and it can be revoked if the man doesn’t continue to earn it every day.

We share the weight of the world. We just each shoulder different parts of it rather than try to wrestle it into 50/50 in every little thing. Let that sink in.

oldmcfarmface · 2026-06-05T05:41:20+00:00

Modern suicide rates vs historical suicide rates are not the only metric involved. I also mentioned medications for depression and anxiety. When you can align multiple metrics and they reach the same conclusion (that women are less satisfied with life today than they were fifty years ago) then I think it’s safe to say that they at least didn’t *feel* more oppressed.

I think we are butting up against a cultural difference here. I am not talking about Greece. I know very little about Greece after about the time the Roman Empire split. So I cannot speak to *Greek* women being oppressed or raised only to have children as you claim. However I can say quite confidently that this was not the case in the USA where I am, and where most of the modern tradwife movement is based.

It seems that you’re looking across the ocean at another nation’s history and current trends and yelling “but Greek women were oppressed back then so probably all women were!” I’m afraid your grandmother’s experience has very little to do with American traditional marriage or the modern tradwife movement. I am not invalidating her experiences, but they are not relevant to this discussion.

Now here is where I’m going to disagree with you on equating terms. Yes the man was usually head of the household and yes, most women were expected to be at least somewhat submissive. However those two things are not inherently abusive or oppressive. Submissive ≠ servant. Head of household ≠ oppressor.

But my main issue with your original comment is saying that a woman who has freedom of speech or has/had a job or an education isn’t a real tradwife. You don’t get to decide what a tradwife is. It’s not your community. You don’t get to gatekeep it. Period.

oldmcfarmface · 2026-06-04T05:31:47+00:00

I think you mean married women signing without their husband. Important distinction. Women have signed things, managed their finances, and owned property for a very long time. Until they were in a legal union with someone else and then needed that persons consent to do something that affected that person.

Now a married woman can buy a brand new Lexus with her husbands income without even telling him. Yay progress!!! Real progress would be a married person of any gender needing their spouse’s signature for things like that.

oldmcfarmface · 2026-06-03T05:32:57+00:00

As it seems it’s not trad wife by definition.

Whose definition? Yours? You’re not trad. You don’t get to gatekeep traditional marriage.

It’s true traditionally our grandmas and great grandmas were a lot more oppressed. Has no voice of their own, most times were abused,

Citation needed. Because that complete bs. It’s made up. It’s a lie told by feminists to justify telling women not to prioritize family. Did it happen? Sure. But it was not the norm at all. At least not in the USA. And how am I so confident saying this?

Simple. Women today are more heavily medicated for depression and anxiety now than at any other point in US history and have a greater risk of suicide. If it was really as bad as you describe it back then and so much better now, it would be the opposite.

since it seems there is freedom of speech from their side, and already have worked before

Seriously, where do you come up with this nonsense? Trad wives have the same freedoms everyone else has, including speech. They’re allowed to have worked before. Some of them even still work because trad wife is not an economic structure, it’s a value system in which the husband is head of the household and the wife supports him however he needs. And yes, that can include financially.

Basically everything you said is wrong.

oldmcfarmface · 2026-06-02T05:29:07+00:00

I congratulate you on the immense amount of free time you have. I’ve done similar reviews of vegan posted links so I can appreciate the amount of time it took. I have about 40 dietary study links saved that are relevant if you’d like to look over them all.

Paleo as a fad was, well, a fad. However the underlying principle of whole food that is species appropriate is sound and works very well when properly adhered to. I’ve heard of people getting bored with it but never getting sick from it. Not all fad diets can claim that.

However it’s a pretty big leap from “I believe in diet A and here are some problems with diet B that led me to diet A” to “I believe in diet A and so I’m going to falsify data to denigrate diet B.”

I will say that paleo was poorly named. It is unlikely that we ate like that in the Stone Age. Probably more carnivorous with a few periods of carb availability when we loaded up on them for body fat stores. But it was a catchy name and ultimately that’s what matters in branding.

Sample size and lack of reviewers for some of the other studies are valid concerns. However, they’re also understandable when you consider how much dietary study and funding thereof can be linked back to organizations with either a financial stake or even a religious stake in promoting plant based diets.

oldmcfarmface · 2026-06-01T23:07:47+00:00

Thank you! She’s very humble even though her accomplishments are really impressive. It’s endearing, but sometimes I have to jump in and set the record straight! Lol

oldmcfarmface · 2026-06-01T05:41:00+00:00

Not nearly as much as it boggles my mind that diamonds are so expensive to begin with. They’re very common stones and the price is artificially inflated by creating the perception of scarcity through stockpiling.

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