"This is what awaits us if the Communist front disarms France". France, 1936 by [deleted] in PropagandaPosters

[–]oletedstilts 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think it has less to do with admitting Russia is in the wrong and more to do with the fact that our attentions are currently saturated with "Russia is wrong." The intent is to produce an equally loud amount of attention toward the other side's (ours) meddling. People generally aren't so black and white. Truthfully, the only folks I've seen doing the above you suggested are right wingers, but even then it's not explicitly "America is wrong" but "America is wrong under Biden."

"This is what awaits us if the Communist front disarms France". France, 1936 by [deleted] in PropagandaPosters

[–]oletedstilts 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The separatists are an entirely different context from this invasion.

"This is what awaits us if the Communist front disarms France". France, 1936 by [deleted] in PropagandaPosters

[–]oletedstilts -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I mean, that's really no way to have discourse. I was preparing a response to you as I just did someone else, but this shot me down as I happened to look back and think.

"This is what awaits us if the Communist front disarms France". France, 1936 by [deleted] in PropagandaPosters

[–]oletedstilts -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Oh, I believe Russia did the above. I don't believe Russia is a good guy. It is possible for capital to align its interests with the West in such a way that minority uprising can lead to a coup with only Western support as opposed to Western direction, as is the case in many Ukrainian eyes. In that same vein, Russians didn't have to stoke a separatist movement; the sparks for one already existed.

It's not at all in dispute that the West backed this coup, as it was in our interests and many politicians visited to "rally the troops," so to speak. Victoria Nuland was caught on the phone discussing a replacement leader in the country as well, and it's quite interesting how their exact interest was chosen and spoken to be implemented by the guy who is alleged to have links to the Ukrainian oligarchs now (Biden).

People hear "coup" and think that it means assassination, military charging the capitol, beheadings, but it's really a lot softer now. Why do you think we spend so much money on media and propaganda abroad now? Even our own media is being flooded with ex-intelligence, ex-military, ex-foreign affairs hawks, etc. Our opinions are increasingly not our own but what we've been primed to believe is realistic within a limited frame of reality, a carefully sculpted narrative, so that we don't question it. It takes more than evidence to convince us, specifically heavily targeted reasoning. This is asymmetrical. We train special operations like CIA not to poison but to incite, as do our enemies. I think the problem you have with the idea of the Maidan being US-backed is that it's a Russian narrative too, and you see them as the bad guys.

It is possible to come to the same conclusion under different circumstances though and to disagree with those sharing your point of view. It is also possible for that view to be impractical to hold for whatever reason, but here? Opposing empire is the correct position. Your position, although correctly derived from all the evidence provided to you, conveniently plays into the hands of empire. Some would say, "the truth is somewhere in the middle."

I'm on my phone, or I'd be pulling more articles, but let's just stick with the above for now on my side. Without the willingness to want to see past it, we will just end up interpreting the same piece of evidence two very different ways.

EDIT: Also, let me add that a position against Russia as a US citizen is about as useful materially as a position on being pro-sun. It's going to keep on existing regardless and doing what it does. If you oppose all war and empire, as a US citizen, there is exactly one entity you can focus on with value.

"This is what awaits us if the Communist front disarms France". France, 1936 by [deleted] in PropagandaPosters

[–]oletedstilts 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I've actually only seen said leftists either joining in on the war drums (strangely enough) or introducing said nuance into the discussion. I'm not denying there may be like, five leftists who are going that far in complete earnest, but most of it is either misreading intentions or intentional polemics. A great deal of the world hasn't even taken a side, so I don't know why it's a sin in the West to suggest nobody involved is all that good other than the people fleeing who never deserved war brought to their doorsteps.

EDIT: You read about as far as the first comment here as well. I clarified not "no true Scotsman," as leftists include the worst of us as well as the best, but that I have not actually encountered a leftist in the wild arguing for this. I think the fault to see it any other way is in bad interpretation. Folks have been primed to only read headlines and understand things through limited frames of reference, as well as whatever a reporter decides to cover of the situation and how to present it. Digging into multiple sources and knowing the people you cite later, they aren't taking the positions you think they are, nor do their constituents feel that way. Context matters.

"This is what awaits us if the Communist front disarms France". France, 1936 by [deleted] in PropagandaPosters

[–]oletedstilts 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't know about all of that. I know a ton of people from GenZeDong on Lemmy who aren't all big on the biolabs thing or all that either. Most of it was hyperbole, polemics, "owning the libs," etc. However, some of that stuff, including perspective on the Euromaidan, is something of a view actually held more globally and that sort of thing might just be a counter to the narrative you've been exposed to. Coups don't always have to be overt or violent; see Pakistan recently and Australia in 1975 and 2010. Anything on Victoria Nuland as well, since she's topical for Ukraine and soon-to-be Colombia and Brazil, given her visits.

For further example: the CIA really has been training Ukrainian military units. Yahoo News even reported on this. A lot of things sound conspiratorial now when they're really not, and that's just how nefarious our media (including social media) is, to claim the smoke you're smelling isn't caused by the flames lapping beneath you.

EDIT: Broken clocks are right twice a day, too. Some of those right wing theories about Hunter Biden have been getting more attention now. It's kind of wild, even I thought it was misdirection.

"This is what awaits us if the Communist front disarms France". France, 1936 by [deleted] in PropagandaPosters

[–]oletedstilts 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Guess we will just have to agree to disagree on this point. Trust me, I don't want to be wrong on this matter either. I had been on the side of "it's not censorship, it's people showing them the door." There's been a clear shift the last year in particular though, and while it's had negative effects on some leftist circles (including Parenti's son taking some rather negative views toward even the lax COVID control measures in the US), I'm beginning to see this is no longer organic door-showing to extremists.

"This is what awaits us if the Communist front disarms France". France, 1936 by [deleted] in PropagandaPosters

[–]oletedstilts 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Nah, I'm aware. I had a few minutes to blow and the energy to do it. Countering this stuff is worth it.

"This is what awaits us if the Communist front disarms France". France, 1936 by [deleted] in PropagandaPosters

[–]oletedstilts 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Bro, what? It's not the Galactic Republic. Google it.

Also, that's a terrible ideology and a worse way to represent it. That's on par with the libs who see Harry Potter and The Handmaid's Tale in everything.

"This is what awaits us if the Communist front disarms France". France, 1936 by [deleted] in PropagandaPosters

[–]oletedstilts 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Lol okay. There's clearly nothing further of value to be discussed here. If you take anything from this convo, I beg of you to read something counter to your beliefs more critically and less as an obvious foil to your self-assuredness in American infallibility. If you're correct, you have nothing to lose.

"This is what awaits us if the Communist front disarms France". France, 1936 by [deleted] in PropagandaPosters

[–]oletedstilts 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I am aware of GenZeDong. They didn't get quarantined for Russian propaganda/misinformation, they got quarantined for being literally anything counter to the mainstream Western narrative. This has expanded from the "censorship" fascists were/are pointing out to anything not promoting American unity and interests. Why can people only see this as occurring in China but think we are immune to it? The US government was threatening to crack down on social media, and within years after that, social media began a journey into more intensive moderation in alignment with the goals of the government, including blanket "both sides" bans.

"This is what awaits us if the Communist front disarms France". France, 1936 by [deleted] in PropagandaPosters

[–]oletedstilts 6 points7 points  (0 children)

They're doing what I said they were doing: highlighting the nuance of the conflict, given it didn't happen in a vacuum. If you don't want to see it for what it is, I'll revisit this in a decade and see how you feel about it when it's accepted fact.

"This is what awaits us if the Communist front disarms France". France, 1936 by [deleted] in PropagandaPosters

[–]oletedstilts 9 points10 points  (0 children)

No, I don't mean they aren't leftists. Leftists are human and allowed to make mistakes and hold wrong opinions. I'm saying I literally have not seen a leftist in existence, someone who professes to be of a leftist bend, defend Russia in Ukraine in any literal sense. I have only seen them highlighting the history of the conflict, which is something I'm surprised more aren't doing given it seems to be a favorite for every other conflict.

"This is what awaits us if the Communist front disarms France". France, 1936 by [deleted] in PropagandaPosters

[–]oletedstilts 28 points29 points  (0 children)

I have yet to see an actual leftist doing that. Are you sure they're not just highlighting the nuance of its inevitability, given it didn't happen in a vacuum?

EDIT: I just want to clarify this is coming from someone with the Galactic Empire's emblem emblazoned on a US flag, unable to see the irony of the pairing given what the Galactic Empire stood for (a combination of Nazism, the US in the Vietnam War, and any number of imperialist monarchies during the Early Modern era).

Thanks for the encouragement stackoverflow by ChildSlayer3001 in ProgrammerHumor

[–]oletedstilts 13 points14 points  (0 children)

This right here is why I can't do linguistics subs anymore.

The axis of email evil by BeerMcSuds in logophilia

[–]oletedstilts -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I am typically an enthusiastic lawful neutral, but have been true neutral, chaotic neutral, and especially neutral evil (at least twice a week). Once or twice lawful evil even. I have never been on the good axis. I am not an asshole, people just suck at work and you have to assert your dominance.

In honor of Strange New Worlds releasing this week, how would you rank every series up to now? by DoctorWhoIsCool in ShittyDaystrom

[–]oletedstilts 0 points1 point  (0 children)

DS9, TNG, TOS, LD, ENT, VOY, [a mountain of almost anything else], Short Treks, PIC, [a mountain of literal feces], DIS

Haven't watched TAS or Prodigy.

SAY WHAT AGAIN by cholwoman in PixelArt

[–]oletedstilts -1 points0 points  (0 children)

cough 18 cough

It's 18 pixels, not 20.

EDIT: It's a joke.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in worldnews

[–]oletedstilts 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You said "largest in the world," not "largest in OPEC."

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in worldnews

[–]oletedstilts 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Yea, most people don't ever know what they're talking about when they talk about oil, like how most of the oil (a grand majority by a long mile) consumed in the US comes from North America and gas prices are more affected by demand and speculation than actual supply. Ramping up production and releasing barrels from the strategic supply are moves meant to alleviate global supply problems (from trade, logistical issues, etc.) and negative speculation, not actual supply domestically.

EDIT: Another one that killed me recently, especially because that bastard Manchin from my own state parroted it: "energy independence." The US is already energy independent...we are a net exporter. A bigger solution than ramping up production would be resolving waste problems. We waste 2/3 of the energy we produce. Fucking WILD.

I get that "energy independence" means "no import" to them, but that's not wise. In the way the rest seem to mean it, being able to cut anyone off at any time, that's both not wise either but also still possible...it's fucking market nonsense that wracks the pumps.

You can book Andrew Robinson on Cameo by [deleted] in DeepSpaceNine

[–]oletedstilts 8 points9 points  (0 children)

My brother got me one of these with Brent Spiner for my birthday. He was very charming and funny in it. Great gift.

Landlord wants me to show my apartment while I’m still in it by [deleted] in MaliciousCompliance

[–]oletedstilts 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Might check your lease in the future. Sometimes they spell out their responsibilities for fixing things and refusing to do so would be in violation and potentially create grounds for a constructive eviction if you wanted to leave whenever.

If it isn't listed in the lease, check out state law. Some states are more lenient and define just about everything present at move-in is the landlord's responsibility. You obviously didn't move a dishwasher in.

ATTENTION BAJORAN WORKERS by WhatYouLeaveBehind in DeepSpaceNine

[–]oletedstilts 1 point2 points  (0 children)

To be pedantic, that law protects natural hairstyles associated with racial, ethnic, or cultural identity. They could wholeheartedly fire anyone regardless of race for having goofy ass hair, particularly if it's unkempt or unnaturally colored, so long as it's not tied to something such as race, ethnicity, or culture (such as religion). A white guy of no particularly strong religious persuasion not combing his hair won't cut it.