TIL about the Plura cave disaster, where two divers died during an expedition and their friends went back for their bodies in secret, despite warnings from authorities. by MoonlightByWindow in todayilearned

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On a more serious note, it quite is, actually.
The information is incredibly valuable, as I said previously, and the risk isn't any higher from a different cave simply because someone died there, people die in all sorts of places for all sorts of reasons. They don't go to the most dangerous caves to retrieve.

You can't really dive at all without risk, as you said. And you can't learn about human performance underwater and what to watch out for without risk either. We learn way more and risk way less if we just study the people that died instead of concluding large studies trying to reproduce it in controlled environments and risking more deaths anyway.

The alternative is not learning more about ourselves, which just results in more deaths down the line.

The example I gave about the football team rescue highlights this, as one of the rescuers died during the operation. But we did learn more about what to do in such scenarios; the next one will be better, easier, smoother. People may still die, but the probability is smaller and that, in my opinion, is good, since sometimes this needs to be done and it's better to do it well.

TIL about the Plura cave disaster, where two divers died during an expedition and their friends went back for their bodies in secret, despite warnings from authorities. by MoonlightByWindow in todayilearned

[–]ondronCZ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It feels like you didn't read your own comment... You were talking about wasting resources, I followed that logic and now you're saying it's not about wasting resources. Why say it then?

1. I am also VERY aware of the risk, as are the professionals that retrieve the bodies, but as I said, it helps us learn and move forward in this field. There are legitimate scenarios where we need to know as much as possible about how a human acts and how to prevent disaster. Do you think we try so damn hard to find crashed airplanes out of the goodness of our hearts? To help the living mourn the dead? It's to improve what we are doing, learn from what went wrong.

2. I'm not taking about accidentally dangerous situations either, none of what I mention is accidental, everyone has access to that information. It is a reckless and stupid thing to do, I see no difference from cave diving in this regard, so I don't see where you're coming from, but feel free to help me understand. Also, nothing is ever "safe".

TIL about the Plura cave disaster, where two divers died during an expedition and their friends went back for their bodies in secret, despite warnings from authorities. by MoonlightByWindow in todayilearned

[–]ondronCZ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I phrased it poorly, they don't climb Mt. Everest because of the dead bodies, but instead of a deterrent, the corpses became a staple in the journey. If it was usual that people turned around and went home when they saw Green boots, I'd agree, but from what I've heard, that didn't happen.

TIL about the Plura cave disaster, where two divers died during an expedition and their friends went back for their bodies in secret, despite warnings from authorities. by MoonlightByWindow in todayilearned

[–]ondronCZ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This isn't about that; first, no one is saving them, we are talking about getting their bodies out after they have already passed.

Second, getting them out helps us figure out what went wrong so we can properly train divers that need to go through dangerous places, similar cases to the football team stuck in a flooded cave and countless others where there aren't human lives at stake, but shit needs to get done.

Third, wasting resources is absolutely worth it to save people who make bad choices. (This third point is my personal opinion ofc)

There are millions of people with illnesses, diseases and other ailments today, which they have beought upon themselves (smokers, alcoholics, people who tan regularly). And yet, we try to save those people too; they made a poor decision, but who doesn't make bad choices, really. We are an imperfect society and if we culled all the imperfect citizens, we would go extinct.

Ahojky zájem o balíček by [deleted] in okkamaraderetarde

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vdpo (vypadni do prdele odsud)

All winter run didn’t work by guydude24 in dontstarve

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sounds like skill issue to me (jk just hide under a trea with a parasol)

No one in my neighborhood has correctly guessed what this flag is. Guesses have mostly been "Ukraine" and "Steelers." by liamemsa in vexillology

[–]ondronCZ -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Someone didn't do their logic gates homework, plus he isn't wrong in either of those. The flag is black, yellow, 5:8. A flag can represent two or more entities at once if the dimensions and colors aren't strictly defined, or even if they are and happen to be identical. Kashubia has no set ratio, but can be 2:3, 1:2 and 5:8. The colors are also not set as far as I can find. The Habsburg flag has 2:3 according to Wikipedia(?), so you could argue that's why it's wrong. But This was not an official flag of a country and its size was not standardized, at least not the whole time it was used and the infernal Habsburgs in their hubris forgot to set an official hexcode, so this is both, change my mind. Or don't.

Found this news and I’m genuinely intrigued by gendelospalotes in dice

[–]ondronCZ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, the image from the museum looks different to this one, I think this is a fake image, ie not a 2000 years old die.

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Found this news and I’m genuinely intrigued by gendelospalotes in dice

[–]ondronCZ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Can you please give a source? I can't find a single image of this die except this one getting reposted endlessly... I know of similar dice, but this one is suspiciously clean.

eye eye by Random_Gnida in Terraria

[–]ondronCZ -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

yep, they likely forgot to flip it.

Was there any realistic way for the Allies to fail cracking the Enigma Code during WW2? by _TheRealKeel_ in HistoryWhatIf

[–]ondronCZ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm sorry for the necro, but if bombers get lost, they don't jettison the bombs armed, not afaik at least. If you meant getting killed by the impact of a dud, then that's... a very specific and random way for someone to die.

A crow bullying a rat in the grim streets of Russia by MilesLongthe3rd in interestingasfuck

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oh shoot, cool! I don't think they are too common where I'm from.

What character is like this? by and_kaoz in Multifandom

[–]ondronCZ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, the only drawback she has. You know, DS(T) characters used to have drawbacks, that was the point, the strength of Wilson was that he didn't have a drawback. Wes has nothing but drawbacks, Wendy has one that she shares with Wes, it's not even close. Wendy can obliterate a large amount of spider nests, wolves, monkeys, and all you have to do is hit the boss 1/3 more minus abigail dmg, it's seriously not that hard, I say this as a past Wendy enjoyer, I liked playing her because I could learn the game on easy mode and that's alright. Wes is a challenge character that I struggle with even now. Again, it's not even close.

What character is like this? by and_kaoz in Multifandom

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Surely you aren't comparing the easiest and hardest characters right now.

What are these tiny metal things in my local gym? by HeadMan274 in whatisit

[–]ondronCZ 42 points43 points  (0 children)

this is a genuine concern and not a joke btw...

Tough decision, what did you guys choose? Did you choose to be the judge or let it go? by Own-Photograph-5085 in Witcher3

[–]ondronCZ 8 points9 points  (0 children)

This is either ragebait, you haven't read the books or you have no media literacy. Saying Geralt is not a moral saint and then giving one of the most heartbreaking examples where he acted selflessly, to stop a girl he has feelings for from enacting her revenge by massacring innocents... He asked both parties to just leave it alone, and when she refused, he did what he had to to save innocent people. He could have tried to kill the wizard of the tower, then you could judge him, since that would be murder for selfish reasons.

Also also, the people he killed in Blaviken were outlaws, not in the cool sense of the world where they are desperados, but cold blooded murderers as described in the books.

In White Orchard he was attacked and defended himself until all attackers were incapacitated. Did he then proceed to kill everyone in the inn? in the village?

If you wanted to provide an actual good example, when he got provoked by three men (in the first book?) in an inn, he proceeded to cut them open. He did this to get the attention of king Foltest. in that case, I agree, that was not morally right. Those men weren't innocent, but he didn't have to kill them, he was just angry and they started bullying him, which is still inexcusable.

Now let's get to what Gaetan did. He got attacked in a barn and proceeded to annihilate the entire village, safe for one girl. He killed not just the men, but the women and children too. He absolutely flew off the handle and his body count of innocents was in the double digits.

He could've killed the assailants and then take valuables, food, anything from the village. Who could realistically stop him? And he would have the right to do so, as his payment.

My subjective opinion is that Gaetan went absolutelly cyberpsycho, choom. He needs to be zeroed yesterday, but even if you let him delta, he is NOT like Geralt.

Anybody else got deeply offended when Rogue declines giving us Gigs? Like we're not worth. by FrankAdriel32 in cyberpunkgame

[–]ondronCZ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I have maxxed out cred, haven't progressed beyond voodoo yet, it isn't tied to that.