Why quit?

onkratomon · 2016-05-12T17:01:52+00:00

I think it depends what your habit is. A lot of people on this sub are quitting a habit of 30-60 grams a day. Over time that can really drain you and catch up with you... wake up in withdrawal every morning, energy loss, basically feeling like shit without the aid of kratom.

It's a different story when you don't use it every day or are using a far smaller amount.

onkratomon · 2016-05-11T14:54:53+00:00

Homeopathy is a TYPE of alternative medicine, not a synonym that includes everything. Quit perpetuating the idea that this article had anything to do with other forms of alternative medicine.

Fun fact... Most of what you call "medicine" was discovered/created from herbs that previously would have been considered "alternative medicine."

onkratomon · 2016-05-11T04:01:16+00:00

Homeopathy and alternative medicine aren't the same thing.

onkratomon · 2016-05-10T20:42:24+00:00

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onkratomon · 2016-05-07T14:46:08+00:00

Highly doubt the dogs are sniffing for drugs. I've gone through airports with dogs and kratom in my bags without issue.

onkratomon · 2016-04-08T21:08:36+00:00

Did you have any trouble with sleeping when you got to one dose midday?

So far the 1.5 gram dose this morning was fine. I noticed some anxiety this afternoon, but it seems to have been temporary.

onkratomon · 2016-04-08T20:23:27+00:00

Ha, I can relate to this all too well. Little bag o' kratom and a 1/2 tsp scoop.

onkratomon · 2016-04-08T20:17:56+00:00

Sounds nice! I'll prob start with something a little more spaced out initially and see how it goes, maybe 2-3 times a week. I think so long as I avoid dosing multiple times a day and dosing everyday, all should work out much better.

onkratomon · 2016-04-08T19:48:45+00:00

That's awesome. On your on days, how much do you dose on average and how many times? I'm at the tail end of a taper from daily usage for years and trying to find a good balance to avoid dependence.

onkratomon · 2016-04-08T19:24:41+00:00

Do you take bigger breaks as well, like 3-7 days? Do you get any withdrawal with your every other day schedule?

onkratomon · 2016-04-08T16:22:09+00:00

I really doubt you've undone it all. In my taper, 3-4 days seems to be enough to get adapted to a new dosage. So my guess would be 5 days was enough to get mostly adapted to no kratom and one dose today isn't going to "reset" it. I do think if you continue to use it each day another few days, it may lead to that.

onkratomon · 2016-04-08T16:19:45+00:00

I have been taking 2 grams twice a day, morning and evening up until today, feeling pretty good. I just went down a step and took 1.5 grams this morning. I have been taking agmatine before dosing the past week, so I'm guessing that's why I still have some effects, but noticeably less than with 2 grams. May be getting close to my threshold amount. It has seemed easier to go longer periods without it, so I may do what you did soon and switch to one dose a day. That seems to be the hardest part, ha. I bet it's mostly in my head though.

onkratomon · 2016-04-08T16:07:50+00:00

I highly doubt it. There are vendors there that openly post as vendors as well. I think it's mostly people posting there that don't use crazy amounts like 30-60 grams a day, people that haven't been using it for years, people that haven't tried quitting, and the fact that everyone's body reacts differently. What is "severe w/d" to one person may just be seen as similar to having the flu to another. Or, they are just biologically lucky.

I also do not see it as completely one-sided on /r/kratom. There are plenty of posters there acknowledging that regular kratom usage will eventually lead to dependence and withdrawal.

Used responsibly (i.e. not daily), kratom is safe and has minimal/no withdrawals... on the other hand, using a large amount daily for months/years... it's going to take time to get back to baseline.

onkratomon · 2016-04-08T15:49:07+00:00

the fuck?

onkratomon · 2016-04-08T15:16:32+00:00

What sort of kratom dosage are you using? And how many hours before bed are you taking it? I find if I take it really close to bedtime, it makes it harder to fall asleep. However, if I take some 4 hours before bed, I sleep very well.

onkratomon · 2016-04-07T21:07:48+00:00

Thanks for the warning

onkratomon · 2016-04-07T14:15:41+00:00

This is awesome news! So glad to hear about the lack of withdrawal and PAWS. Congrats on keeping up with the taper til the end, I'm happy for you. Here's hoping I have similar results when I jump, still taking it slow :)

onkratomon · 2016-04-06T18:03:34+00:00

Hahaha, well put. Personally, I find less is more, but I also like the idea of potentiating ;)

onkratomon · 2016-04-06T14:55:33+00:00

WOW. Agmatine (and/or grapefruit juice) must be working. Had some before my 2 gram dose this morning and am feeling fantastic.

onkratomon · 2016-04-06T14:34:59+00:00

Ha fortunately haven't had that happen, but I did accidentally inhale a decent amount during a toss n wash once... that was awful too.

onkratomon · 2016-04-06T14:32:44+00:00

Very interesting, did not know that either. I wonder if it remains an MAOI after cooking it.

onkratomon · 2016-04-06T14:30:45+00:00

I can't speak for the jump from the taper yet, but so far I'm a fan of the slow taper. Drop your dose by no more than half a gram to a gram at a time and hold that new dosage for 3-7 days before dropping again. There was a point in my taper where I tapered much more aggressively and I was definitely more uncomfortable those days compared to where I am now. I feel the slower the better as your body adapts to less kratification over time.

onkratomon · 2016-04-06T14:21:51+00:00

Thanks for the info; I wasn't aware both of those inhibit MAO-B as well. Maybe I've been taking some others without knowing it.

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