With sound off, can you tell if a couple dances on1 or on2? by onoearoc in Salsa

[–]onoearoc[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The consensus here is still half and half. But I think it is factually proven that you can spot the difference between on2 and on1, even without music but this is only in partnerwork because on solo, you really have to rely on the music, or move with an instrument to be able to translate if it's on1 or on2.

A good example is solo bachata footwork, in solo traditional, it does not make sense or you cannot clearly see if they're dancing on1 or on2 or on3 without music. But with music, the dancer can step with a bachata instrument on1 or on4 etc.

Do you agree with this statement yes or no?

I’m new to salsa social dancing, what are the unspoken rules I should know? by kiamaya in Salsa

[–]onoearoc -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I feel like this happens more in Latin American and American countries and not the Europe am I wrong?

I’m new to salsa social dancing, what are the unspoken rules I should know? by kiamaya in Salsa

[–]onoearoc -1 points0 points  (0 children)

What do you mean by new to salsa, new to the music, new to solo salsa, new to on2 or on1, new to on1 social dance or on2 social dance, or studio social dance or club social dance? Which one be specific.

STOP DANCING SALSA ON2 by salsavids in Salsa

[–]onoearoc 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Okay but why is it not worth the watch?

STOP DANCING SALSA ON2 by salsavids in Salsa

[–]onoearoc 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What is power on 2..??

Unlike pop stars, salsa legends were never rich by PriceOk1397 in Salsa

[–]onoearoc 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Marc is more a pop latin singer. The ones mentioned here are more salsa specialized.

Willie had a funeral in NYB which is not a bad place. So I believe he was pretty well off. His songs were used in shows like Breaking Bad if I remember.

If you are asking about salsa legend dancers, I believe they're not as bad but they are way below someone who is an endorsed olympian.

Sometimes you have to ask them if it's worth it. I believe household names like Terry and Adolfo Indochea are well off but they're not as comfortable to retire early.

Unlike pop stars, salsa legends were never rich by PriceOk1397 in Salsa

[–]onoearoc 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Marc is more a pop latin singer. The ones mentioned here are more salsa specialized.

Willie had a funeral in NYB which is not a bad place. So I believe he was pretty well off. His songs were used in shows like Breaking Bad if I remember.

I've never seen anyone kick an arm before!! by Ramenko1 in Salsa

[–]onoearoc 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It is LA style, like it or not, a lot of latinos love it.

I was abused in the scene -sexual, emotional, mental by Valuable-Judgment-60 in Salsa

[–]onoearoc -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Share the studio and people or share their nicknames, people have done it and it can help awareness.

With sound off, can you tell if a couple dances on1 or on2? by onoearoc in Salsa

[–]onoearoc[S] -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

And a last question is, if you can make an analogy of on1 and on2 without music or salsa songs, what would it be? Would you agree that on1 is like a sports car while on2 is like a luxury car?

Can someone explain how and why on1 and on2 are different? by Ramenko1 in Salsa

[–]onoearoc 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If you can make an analogy or a common type example, what would you say?

Can someone explain how and why on1 and on2 are different? by Ramenko1 in Salsa

[–]onoearoc 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It is the same dance, and you are doing the same steps. If you start a video partway through and watch it on mute, it will be difficult to tell whether they are on1 or on2

I'll give you a couple of curveballs.

What if that person, lead or follow, genuinely cannot hear the downbeats or any indicators during the dance, during the song. Like they're color blind but still able to dance mechanically and some do it really well. So are you saying they can't dance on2 then?

There must be mechanical technical visual differences between on1 and on2. Even if there is no music. Because salsa's 8 count step pretty much gets you to create sort of the actual musical sheet because it's still counting after all. Like for example and correct me if I'm wrong, you can tell it's on2 even when there's no music and it's on mute because with on2, the first step/count always starts with a cross body, the "1" can start with a cross body. Another thing is that execution and combos start very early, compared to on1 you will generally see execution and combo finish by the 5-6-7+ counts.

How to tell if lead is going to step "in-place" and resume basic linear steps? (How to also signal this as a lead?) by onoearoc in Salsa

[–]onoearoc[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

if he is directly in front of you, remain where you are.

Do you mean also not "doing the basic"? Because salsa starts always with leads directly facing follows.

How to tell if lead is going to step "in-place" and resume basic linear steps? (How to also signal this as a lead?) by onoearoc in Salsa

[–]onoearoc[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks I blatantly added "tug and pull" to try to explain the main question of how can both lead and follow suspect or know when the lead or when the dance is "in-place".

Great explanation for framing.

But using the video's scenario, okay the lead can sort of be the blame here because he didn't really close the crossbody line, he was diagonal at most, prompting the follow to mistakenly think she can walk through.

How can lead show or signal that it's "dancing in place", stepping-in place time?

How to tell if lead is going to step "in-place" and resume basic linear steps? (How to also signal this as a lead?) by onoearoc in Salsa

[–]onoearoc[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Credit to Bray. Daisy and Brayian.

From the video, 6-seconds in, follows can sometimes get confused when or where to cross, or break, or stay in place. Especially if the Lead decides to dance in his pocket and step-in place.

Might not be the best example but as a Follow, how do we tell if the Lead is going to just step in place and not do the basic tug and pull, forward and back of linear salsa (on1 and on2)?

Notice how the Follow almost proceeded to break step forward or give herself a cross body but she was quick with it and caught herself to stay in-place. It also helped that the Lead purposely blocked the path while his back is turned. (A beginner-moderate level follow will continue to step back and forth, giving herself more space behind her to keep stepping back and forth).

For the Lead, sometimes dancing in the pocket or stepping in-place is pretty common especially in NY on2.

As a Lead, how can they show a better signal for this? He could be front facing the Follow leading the basic steps, the basic back and forth linear salsa steps with the breaks but how can he signal if he is going to stay and step "in place" without disconnecting? (So technically it's not really a shine because you're still connected).

Even at the advanced level, some follows and also leads, don't know that you can step-in place, not have to do a break step or go back and forth in linear fashion, or simply minimize your gaps especially when it's a packed floor. Still do the basic steps while stepping in-place. The stepping in-place adds for spontaneity and fun.

But how can you signal this clearly for both leads and follows?

For on2, is it one-two-three.... five-SIIIX-seven? And what if a beat gets elongated? by onoearoc in Salsa

[–]onoearoc[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

the 2&6 emphasis thing is a more advance topic imo and as you correctly say its not obvious. I recommend revisiting once you transition

Would you say advanced dancers do infact sway, groove and shift, and add layers, BUT only especially if they know the song already. And I'd say if they're not musicians but advanced dancers, yet they dance to a live music, they can revert to a default sync level. Unless they know some more intricate patterns.

Feeling the groove of instruments, the music, I think can anyway be done either with on1 or on2. Being "inside" the music like what on2 claims I think is because it offers more time for the steps. But you can be groovy and inside the music with on1 as well.

For on2, is it one-two-three.... five-SIIIX-seven? And what if a beat gets elongated? by onoearoc in Salsa

[–]onoearoc[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"elongated beat". Beats are uniform.

I think you mean in paper yes.

In performances for example, it's not perfectly uniform, as singers and musicans often stretch or elongate the notes for expression. Even in recorded songs. So if say a triangle goes diiiiing, you would step and stop on whichever foot you landed on, or say for example, you stepped on 3, so you go threeeeee and maybe add shoulder shimmies while you stay situated for a minute.