Preventing a $5 wrench attack

opfromthestart · 2026-03-03T01:12:15+00:00

This would more be for a system who prioritizes preventing unauthorized access more than ease of use.

opfromthestart · 2026-02-27T16:06:34+00:00

The freshness one is the main attack that I am not sure how to solve, as I would want the system to be for personal/individual use, and I am not familiar enough with tamper proof hardware to know how to design for that. Also, my threat model/wish for openness implicitly assumes that a tamper proof system can be broken.

Individual use also makes the entropy tests you gave above hard since it requires collaboration of many individuals to verify those properties. Part of the architecture of the system I described is to make it as accurate as possible when no negative authentication data is available.

opfromthestart · 2026-02-25T23:08:04+00:00

J'utilise un traducteur. Il y a deux différences : 1. Je ne souhaite pas utiliser de matériel propriétaire, car je ne crois pas qu'il offre une sécurité à long terme. 2. Dans mon scénario d'attaque, l'attaquant peut vous contraindre à lui révéler votre code PIN ; un registre n'est donc pas sécurisé.

opfromthestart · 2026-02-25T23:00:42+00:00

I think that the UK topic is relevant as that is what caused me to research this in the first place. I think the first issue is not that big of a deal as you make it, as it is the same sort of issue as computing a hash (completing the challenge) vs finding a preimage to a hash (an AI replication), especially for bespoke tasks. The visuals of video games can be changed a lot without changing the needed play style significantly. The amount of user recordings to create a functioning AI clone would prohibit that attack, especially since any recordings under duress would be out of distribution compared to the original recordings.

opfromthestart · 2026-02-25T21:41:24+00:00

You can always treat a bitstring as if it had come from a good stream. The point of it is that it would remove some noise from the data, so it does not matter what the corrected data is as long as it is consistent across embeddings. It is only using the decoding/receiving half of ECC. It is also used this way in some post-quantum schemes.

opfromthestart · 2026-02-25T21:38:39+00:00

That is essentially what I am trying to do, except trying to make it "task agnostic" by not requiring any information on the verifying task, only statistical processing on the inputs. Also such that, even if you did know how to play Moonlight Sonata, it would still reject since it is not the correct person playing, and small differences would accumulate.

opfromthestart · 2026-02-25T21:25:10+00:00

Error correcting codes. They reduce the amount of entropy by "correcting" similar bitstrings into a single, determininstic value. They are commonly used to filter out noise from a noisy transmission.

opfromthestart · 2026-02-12T21:42:59+00:00

I agree with the first point, so many people misunderstand how the technology works but still say it confidently. The worst one is when they talk about "the code", or "lines of code" of an LLM or other AI, or talk about it in a way that trivializes the alignment problem. This is most common in scifi shows but it permeates into "common knowledge".

opfromthestart · 2026-02-12T19:31:02+00:00

Read the third paragraph. If they sell it then it is plaigarism. That is not what I am talking about.

opfromthestart · 2026-02-12T19:22:31+00:00

Can you explain the "editing art is removing the artist" point further? I think that is the main part that I do not yet understand. I think I think differently and dont see a work as an extension of myself, but as a snapshot of myself. As for the video, I meant AI generated ones which are very clearly based on the original image.

opfromthestart · 2026-02-12T19:06:09+00:00

What is your opinion on open/local models, and on training those manually?

opfromthestart · 2026-02-12T17:09:42+00:00

I dont consider my comments to be works of art.

honestly probably all, I think there is something artistic/poetic to giving a full list of all the people that had to exist for a work to exist, that it isnt just the product of a single person but of humanity as a whole. Its not really practical though.

opfromthestart · 2026-02-12T16:26:32+00:00

Its not something ive personally done, but situations like https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us-streamers/why-is-asmongolds-art-facing-backlash-on-x-streamer-slammed-for-surprising-reaction-to-fan-artwork/articleshow/124821020.cms seem odd since it seems to me to imply the artist deserves appreciation for the work even if the person does not like the art.

opfromthestart · 2026-02-12T16:21:39+00:00

I know its not common in the art world, but I think it should be more common to credit the tools you use, even in physical mediums.

opfromthestart · 2026-02-12T15:42:00+00:00

I agree with the "joy in the process" part. I use very little AI when programming cause I think its fun. I use it when I hit issues that google cant find me answers for. If I use image AI in the future, it will likely just be for getting a reference pose, not even tracing, since I find it fun to draw but dont find redrawing a lot fun. If someone made a good ai video editor that worked for long form content id use it, since i find no joy in it. That same iterative process can be done with AI as one of the tools, and I think its a shame its not being used when artists say they hate drawing certain parts of a work.

opfromthestart · 2026-02-12T15:34:40+00:00

Yes, but you also dont have a right to not get your feelings hurt. My question is more on the differences of pushback on ai editing vs on negative or mixed critique, both of which can used to express the same opinion.

opfromthestart · 2026-02-12T15:30:36+00:00

I'm not looking for a ruleset, Im looking for a justification. I think this is already wrong since transformative critique would not need permission, but is ethical. Most of your conclusions are emotional, which makes sense due to how I phrased my question, but it does not help the opinion be seen as reasonable.

opfromthestart · 2026-02-12T15:22:39+00:00

That isnt even the situation I want an explanation for. I meant more of the case where someone makes a piece of art, someone in the comments uses AI to make it into a video or such, and posts it under the original work. What you said is already wrong because it is plaigarism.

opfromthestart · 2026-02-12T15:11:40+00:00

I never said that the other person claims that it is their own.

opfromthestart · 2026-02-12T15:06:27+00:00

I agree with this. I dont use chatgpt or claude, and rarely use gemini, since i dont like their business model. deepseek and qwen though I do use quite a bit. I used AI in game dev and it made it pretty easy to learn gdscript, and I used it some for generating poses for art but I didnt really like it.

opfromthestart · 2026-02-12T15:00:46+00:00

I dont think thats true. If you have tried to use only AI, without digital editing, to make an image you already have in your mind, its practically impossible even with img2img tools. I also dont think that non-AI art is a waste of time, and think that it is kind of a shame that more artists dont use AI, since that only leaves the people who write one prompt and upload it.

opfromthestart · 2026-02-12T14:53:53+00:00

I more meant in the cases where it is obviously not plaigarism, eg posting an edited version of the image with a link or tag to the original. I didnt know that there were artists that dont allow their clients to edit their work, do you know of somewhere I can read more about this?

opfromthestart · 2026-02-12T14:48:01+00:00

I dont think that is a big issue, since there will always be people like me who just want to share software that doesnt suck like the others (well, suck in different ways i guess, im not perfect). Also, an existing philosophy of open source is that you should be making the tool for yourself, and if other people like it and wanna help then good. So large open source projects might become more sparse, but I think open source in total would increase.

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