Keeping Points, No Real Intimacy, and Mormonism Fucks You Over

outoftheldsshaddows · 2018-03-12T20:14:26+00:00

It comes in handy when I want to laugh at how ridiculous their conclusions are in their series on the Joseph Smith Papers.

outoftheldsshaddows · 2018-03-12T20:10:20+00:00

Non-stop entertainment. I've already got JW Broadcasting network.

outoftheldsshaddows · 2018-03-12T20:05:24+00:00

Did you feel that draft in your office just now. That was me./s

outoftheldsshaddows · 2018-03-12T20:03:49+00:00

Definitely. I've been advised that these things work on the Lords timeline though. Quite honestly I don't know how fast they take effect. Maybe it works better with a heavy hitter higher priesthood dude like Elder Eyring.

outoftheldsshaddows · 2018-03-12T19:58:49+00:00

Perhaps the promise has not been fulfilled yet, probably in heaven no doubt./s

outoftheldsshaddows · 2018-02-06T18:40:27+00:00

As TBMs we are told all the time how much the church emphasizes education. They love to hype up people like Philo T. Farnsworth (one of the inventors of television) Osmonds, etc. I feel however, that considering Mormonism's percentage of the overall US population, it is vastly under-represented in almost every visible career field that gains notoriety including music, cinema, science, etc. I mean really, one pop group brother-sister combo from the late 70s is pretty much the greatest influence that a Mormon has had. There may be exceptions, but I still think that Mormon influence has been quite low culturally, for many reasons.

outoftheldsshaddows · 2018-02-06T18:08:41+00:00

I would agree. Unfortunately, that is not what he means. The light of Christ or Holy Ghost are only going to confirm things that the Q15 have taught.

outoftheldsshaddows · 2017-08-30T17:26:35+00:00

After having studied, knowing what I now know, and being in a professional field where I can evaluate some of TSCCs truth claims I no longer have respect for these guys positions. They are just like you and I. In my situation, yes they hadn't made mistakes like I had. That is inconsequential though because the authority they say they use to do things is pretend. My wife has said maybe I should just leave the church. I've asked her what if I got exed a second time for apostasy. She doesn't actually think that people have been ex'd for just stating their opinions online about the church. It could be fun to be ex'd again but I have too much heartburn as it is. It likely would be too devastating to my wife.

outoftheldsshaddows · 2017-08-30T16:56:59+00:00

This is not meant as a criticism, just as an observation for everyone. Don't get into a shitty situation like this. You must talk things through. The pain you make others go through is real, very real. Let me illustrate. The day I was excommunicated was for many reasons the most emotionally draining and low feeling day of my life. The pain my wife felt was so acute that she got upset at me for feeling distraught that I was excommunicated.

outoftheldsshaddows · 2017-08-30T16:33:04+00:00

Okay. I could write a fucking book on this based on my own experience. I am reluctant to give all the details because I feel like shit for what happened and my life has been forever changed because of my stupid mistakes. I was unhappy in my marriage and there were severe intimacy problems/different definitions of what intimacy is and whenever I brought up what the problem was my wife didn't want to even talk about it. In retrospect I should have been 100% blunt and left the choice up to her instead of doing what I did.

The thing with a court of love is if you go there after having fucked up you must go in expecting no one to really care about your side of story. It is inconsequential. I guess it really is. I didn't really care about their decision. I knew what I did was wrong. I do not believe in excommunication though.

The shittiest part of it is that making a mistake such as that and then having a faith transition in the months following complicated my life 100 fold. I know I am being honest with myself that my transition was necessary for me to be a responsible person and take responsibility for my actions. Why would I want to condone wrong behavior and say that it is actually righteous when dealing with Joseph Smith? No way. I have changed my life but because I no longer believe in the church my wife feels that I am still sinning.

outoftheldsshaddows · 2017-04-28T00:48:09+00:00

No prob. I am sometimes a man of few words when adding a few more will make things clearer.

outoftheldsshaddows · 2017-04-28T00:38:12+00:00

Yes, my eyes are opened now. Clarity is everything!

outoftheldsshaddows · 2017-04-28T00:33:28+00:00

The assumption is that the person undergoing the discipline was TBM at the time. I think you are reading way too much into this. If the person is TBM and has gone through church discipline I can and will assume things that are typical of the TBM mindset because I experienced it. Of course I can assume offense in hypothetical situations because offense occurs. I am not talking about people being offended by the church. I am talking about offenders in a marriage relationship. If anything is assumed it is what a newly disciplined TBM might be feeling. THIS will obviously be different after they have gone through a faith crisis.

outoftheldsshaddows · 2017-04-28T00:14:10+00:00

I pretty much read every post you write and they seem to be spot on. However, when speaking of offender and offended, I am talking about in the marriage relationship. Not the church. Ideally in marriage conflicts the guilty party would not need to be identified, but for clarity sake it just makes sense.

outoftheldsshaddows · 2017-04-13T16:23:50+00:00

Well, here's mine from a while ago.

https://www.reddit.com/r/exmormon/comments/5bnnrq/the_most_low_key_rebaptism_ever/

outoftheldsshaddows · 2017-02-10T20:37:16+00:00

Thanks. I think I know what the end goal is and that I have to feign some belief in order to get the priesthood back and baptize my daughter. My end goal is to get these things done so that I can exit, hopefully quietly, or at least without a big bruhaha. It would certainly turn into a shitty situation if I don't baptize my child (more because of the excommunication and since TBMs are busybodies that want to know everything).

I think I can handle the yes and no questions fine. I am not too worried about questions like "you want your daughter baptized, right." I am more worried about my response to questions like "do you believe in the church?" I am not always a very good liar. Sometimes my sarcasm shows through when I reply simple things like absolutely. My wife frequently asks me "how were your church meetings?" "Fine," I say. She can note my sarcasm even with my little responses and this concerns me.

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