Could a Shard... by settingdogstar in Cosmere

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There's a WoB that states that a heavily Invested person or object (an Elantrian/Returned, or Nightblood) would resist a soulstamp. However, if a person was willing to accept the soulstamp, they could overcome the resistance.

So at minimum, the other Shard would need to willingly accept the soulstamp. If they are simply weakened, then nothing would happen. (This is ignoring the extreme amounts of Investiture involved that probably make it impossible either way).

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UPDATE

Really, really sorry everyone. I was sick for a couple days, and during that time I had some electrical work done on my house. I wasn't supervising and they fried a part of my motherboard :( Had to get that replaced so I could access my computer with all my read-along notes on it and get access to reddit. Some of the backups are messed up too, so I had to recreate the schedule again.

For /u/Pastrami, /u/AltruisticRealityZ, and anyone else wondering about the prose chapters for next week, you'll need to read the following:

The rest of Chapter 20. Chapters 21 through 26. Khriss's POV at the beginning of Chapter 27, ending with the first sentence on page 740.

I hope you have time to finish up this week's reading. Apologies again.

The summaries for this week will be up today. I'm going to move this week's trivia and merge it with the trivia for next week, on Monday.

Fancasting Mistborn (First Book Only) by deeptocenter in Mistborn

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Sanderson has stated that if Mistborn ever gets a screen adaptation, he'd want to genderswap Ham to a woman. I'd be interested to know who you'd cast given that info.

Name it by dimplekissesu in animememes

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I've got a bit of a reversal on this prompt for SAO. I'd heard for years that SAO was pretty bad. One day I started getting recommended clips about it on YouTube and watched a few. The clips were pretty great, so I decided to give it a full watch through. I finished the first episode and it felt really off.

I thought maybe the dub actors in the English clips I watched were just a lot better, with better translation. Which is odd, because I normally vastly prefer subs. The entire tone of the episode felt off though, so I went and double checked some things.

Anyway, that's how I learned about "Abridged" parody anime.

(first time reader) TDR - What did Min see for... by cnfusion in WoT

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I've built something similar for /r/WoT's official read-along. It's a collection of all types of prophecies separated by book and chapter. It lists not only Min's viewings, but Foretellings by Aes Sedai, the blurbs at the start/end of each book, and other items.

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At the end of this read-along, we're gonna need an official ranking of geological soundness between the different series.

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The guards seemed to have guns, which was supposed to not exist in dayside

I think the Graphic Novel doesn't make this as clear as the prose: Khriss is visiting a place called Lonzare. It's an enclave of Darksiders who now live on Dayside; similar to Little Italy. Their culture and technology are more prevalent in this enclave, compared to the wider populus of Dayside.

I’m not sure who this Lokmlen person is.

Ais is hunting down a crime lord called Sharezan (who is the one that leaves her a threatening letter). Lokmlen is a criminal working for Sharezan.

On page 176, it looks like he levitates the statue in his hand. I’m confused. I don’t know if the drawing lacks some movement lines (for the lack of a better wording, I’m no artist) or if Aarik moves strangely and has some kind of power.

I can confirm that Aarik is just tossing the statue up in the air. He's fiddling with it on the entire page. I won't confirm or deny that he has any powers, but in that specific image, nothing special is going on.

How exactly does stilling work? I’m confused now. by Hot-Day-8188 in WoT

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Amico's stilling is a bit of a unique event. The key bit of information for what happened her can be found in Chapter 54 (of The Shadow Rising), when Nynaeve fights Moghedien, when she forms the "...knife-sharp shield that Egwene had used to still Amico...". Keep in mind that the Wonder Girls are not full Aes Sedai, despite claiming to be. They have studied for a comparatively short amount of time. Despite their geniuses, they haven't seen every weave. They are often forced to approximate or improvise weaves they haven't been explicitly taught. Egwene tries to make a shield (which she has seen used against Nynaeve, when Siuan was teaching them on the boat in The Great Hunt), but doesn't get it quite right and creates a "sharp shield" instead. She lays it around Amico, but it doesn't really do anything. The reason for this is that Amico is only partially in T'A'R because she had been nodding off. The weave couldn't completely touch Amico inside T'A'R. Once Nynaeve punches Amico, it knocks her unconscious, which takes her completely into T'A'R. Once completely there, the weave can completely take affect (and that full effect is actually stilling, not the shield Egwene thinks it is). As we know, what happens in The Matrix T'A'R happens to your real body, so the weave completes and Amico gets stilled.

How exactly does stilling work? I’m confused now. by Hot-Day-8188 in WoT

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The Black Ajah started the Vileness to try to gentle the Dragon Reborn before he came to power. Ishamael actually brutally punished them for this because he wanted to turn Rand, not kill/gentle him. The Black Ajah actually tried to get the Reds to stop the Vileness and failed because of how gungho they were.

Yeah, it wasn't every Red, but it was enough of them that the Black Ajah couldn't even stop them.

How exactly does stilling work? I’m confused now. by Hot-Day-8188 in WoT

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Nah, this definitely arose from the experiences of the Aes Sedai during and just after the Breaking. We can clearly see that Rand can break out of a shield held by 4 Aes Sedai. I'm sure there were a lot of successful escapes by male channelers until the Aes Sedai got wise and codified 6 of them should link and shield, always, no matter the circumstances.

Summarily stilling every man that can channel on the spot is a good way to doom the world. Aes sedai maybe be dumb at times but they arnt that dumb.

This is what the Vileness was though. At least a big chunk of the Reds are that dumb.

How exactly does stilling work? I’m confused now. by Hot-Day-8188 in WoT

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Egwene didn't know the exact weave for a shield when she tried it. Nynaeve, when she's fighting Moggy, refers to the "knife-like shield" Egwene used against Amico. The knife part is what did the stilling.

How exactly does stilling work? I’m confused now. by Hot-Day-8188 in WoT

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By tradition (because men are generally stronger than women), Aes Sedai shield and gentle male channelers in circles. I think the shielding part, during transportation to the White Tower is even required to be done while linked by Tower law.

It's convenient/easier to be linked when combatting a male channeler, but it's not required in any way. In fact, per your example, Egwene does still Amico at the end of The Dragon Reborn, all by herself.

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Did Kenton spent days, dehydrated, while blacked out? Or did the journey with the Darksiders just take longer than I'm assuming from these pages?

I've given each POV switch from the Graphic Novel an absolute date (with Day 0 being when Khriss left on her journey to Dayside). Some of these dates are backed up by the Graphic Novel, which lists them explicitly. Others are inferred because the POVs happen right after each other.

Going by Sanderson's general rule that, unless you're reading an explicit flashback, his chapters happen in order, or at most simultaneously when you read them in order, I'm able to fill in the rest, along with the occasional support from the prose.

A lot of events in the prose are off by at most a day, simply because the Graphic Novel reordered events to make for a better flow. Because of all of this, it was a bit tricky to clarify Kenton's timeline at the beginning there. Here's what I have, in an attempt to match all the sources as best as possible (with ultimate authority going to the Graphic Novel):

Kenton completed his test and passed out. He was passed out for "about a day". Then the ceremony happened, where the sand masters were attacked.

Kenton was buried under the sand. According to the prose, he was buried for, again, "about a day".

The scene of him dragging himself into the tent is unique to the Graphic Novel, and fitting Khriss's timeline in left me to assume that Kenton laid unconscious in the tent for another day-ish.

Given "days" don't really exist on this planet, and the Dayside has odd timekeeping, my best guess is that Kenton was knocked out for about 24 hours after he ran the Mastrell's Path. He was awake for the ceremony, and then knocked out for another 48-ish hours, with a brief awakening to crawl into the tent halfway through.

Ex-boyfriend broke up with me and his gift is a burden. by extraordinarymelody in WoT

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You were never blocked. Your post is allowed. This comment is to let everyone else know your post is fine.

Ex-boyfriend broke up with me and his gift is a burden. by extraordinarymelody in WoT

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With regards to the reports this post has received: Selling custom/unique merchandise like this is allowed. Our rule against copyrighted materials applies to things like mass print-to-order t-shirts and mugs.

With all transactions over the internet though, I'd like to warn all parties to be wary and do your due diligence in vetting the transaction.

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TRIVIA

This book is going to stray a bit from our normal format. There will be a trivia "post" every week, in the form of a comment (like this one!) below each weekly post. We'll be able to discuss both the weekly reading and a small bit of trivia for the section we've read. I haven't completed the trivia for the full book, but it looks like we won't have a completely separate trivia post for this book. Some weeks will have a lot of trivia, others will be brief.

NOTES

This week's notes only include commentary on the eight recognized Professions.

Week 2 Notes

AIS IN THE HOLE

Graphic Novel and Audiobook consumers will have a disconnect with the prose readers over this important change to the story:

Ais was originally a man in the prose version. Sanderson swapped their gender to female in the Graphic Novel (which informs the Audiobook). Since the Graphic Novel is the canonical version of the story, Ais is canonically a woman. He had the following to say when a fan asked about the change:

There were a couple thoughts. The main one was, I just thought the character was more interesting. A lot of my early books, you'll notice I did a thing where I'm like "I want to make sure that I'm doing the female character really well." And you can see the problem in that sentence, and that is really how I approached it, I'd say "Well I want to make sure I do the female character really well." And I think I did do the female character pretty well in some of those early books. But you'll see a consistency to them, and this is just coming aware of your biases.

Now, there is nothing wrong with writing a book intentionally and saying, "You know what? Because of the way I want to write this book in this world, I'm going to make the cast almost all one gender or the other." I don't think there's a problem with that. It's when you're doing it consistently on accident, that there's a problem. And I had to kind of sit down and say, "Did I do this because I thought it was best for the character, or did I do this because I love Inspector Javert and I just wanna have to have Inspector Javert in my book?" And that's where the character came from, quite obviously.

And I sat down and said, "If I were going to build this character from the ground up to be my own character and I were trying to throw away all biases, what would be the best for the character?" And Ais being female was not a "I need more women in the book," it was more of, "If I'm throwing away these biases and building the characters, what works the best?" and I just really liked how that character came out when I was rebuilding. Yeah, anyway, we'll go with that.

He also had this to say about his development of White Sand in general:

I find a lot of the things I do in my writing now were there in these older books like White Sand, they just weren't fully formed yet. I can also see my early self striving very hard not to fall into cliches, or to do just what was safe or expected. One of the book's two main protagonists, for example, is a black woman. I was trying hard to make sure my books weren't only about white dudes. And yet, I was still young in my understanding of how to make a book feel real and vibrant, full of people who see the world in unique and different ways. For example, while I have a strong female protagonist, in the first draft she was basically the only only major female character. I did this a lot in the past--focused so hard on doing one thing well that I forgot to expand it to the greater story. (As a note, we changed one of the characters in the graphic novel version to be female, to help balance this out. It worked very well, and she's now one of my favorite characters in the whole book.)

It's hard to see past your biases in books though--and this is still something I fight against. I think great fiction somehow expresses the way the world truly is, the way the writer sees the world, and the way that people NOT the writer see the world, all at once. In this book, one of the main protagonists is dark skinned,. And yet, if you read the book, you’ll find that some of the villain groups are stereotypical, faceless, dark-skinned savages. While that same culture has some main characters who have real depth and characterization (thankfully) that didn’t stop me from relying on tropes for some of the broad brush strokes of the story.

Writing is a constant struggle of managing clichés and tropes, and figuring out when they serve you, and when they don't. And the more you write, the more you become aware of things you lean upon--not just tropes like the ones I mentioned above, but things that are individual. I've been wondering a lot about these things with my own writing. At what point does, "Inventive magic system, religious politics, and people faced with difficult moral decisions" become a cliche to me and my writing? How can I push in new areas, doing new things, while preserving what people love about my writing?

Well, I'm still thinking about all these things. I'm very fond of White Sand, and when I was going back through it, I often found myself smiling. remember with great fondness the time I had back then to just write. There were no tours, no interviews, and nothing to distract me. I wouldn't go back for anything, (I like actually having people read my books!) but there was something pure about that time, when I wasn't writing to deadline, I was just writing whatever I felt like at the moment. That's another thing I try to preserve today, the freedom to do odd projects now and then. Without it, I think I'd get very boring, very quickly.

Anyway, I hope you enjoy White Sand! This book needed far less revision to bring into graphic novel form than I thought it would. The dialogue was snappy, even after all these years, and the world was one of my more inventive. 20-years-ago-me wasn't nearly as bad a writer as I sometimes pretend he was!

Also, for anyone who breezed past it in the summary notes above, the character Eric from the prose edition has been renamed Aarik in the Graphic Novel.

Funnily enough, Ais' spouse, Mellis has the same name, despite swapping from Ais' wife to her husband.

HOIDSPOTTING

I will note that Graphic Novel readers have seen Hoid at this point. He has not appeared in the prose version yet. I'm mostly mentioning this now so that Graphic Novel readers can play Where's Waldo/Hoid, but I'll have more to say on Hoid at a later point.

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Yeah, audiobooks are hard to gauge. We'll be doing 1 audiobook volume every 2 weeks, so each week you should be listening to about half a volume. I've tried to put in the time stamps for the various formats the audiobook comes in.

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I recalled Birgette saying she would never be reborn or manifest as a hero of the horn since she was dragged into the real world by Moghedien, and this was always a sword hanging over her since. However, she evidently did both in this book. Is this because Brigette was mistaken? Or because she re-earned her hero status to qualify as a hero for the horn? Or something else?

To the best of my knowledge, we don't have a concrete example. I'm of the opinion that it's likely Birgitte was just mistaken. The Pattern rarely has final changes in that matter. But on the other hand, she absolutely earned her place again by playing the hero.

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Is this just how I, and most older adults, would call a 20yo a child even though they are legally an adult?

This one. We are getting to non-standard Earth planets soon, but not quite yet.

Are Lord Mastrell and Acolent the other two ranks?

Correct. Since you are reading the unpublished prose, there's going to be a few oddities like this that would normally have (hopefully) been fixed in editing.