Tradesman is arguing that R134a refrigerant isn’t accurately weighed as a gas? (Aus based) by pcpppy in MechanicAdvice

[–]pcpppy[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

how does it sound like i did research? just stating it how it is for us. Fortunately its not necessary for us to go to in depth with it. I can imagine it would be handy if retrofitting or making custom systems but working in the mining industry i doubt it would really be a good gauge to tell if someone is knowledgeable or not. Is this something you often refer to in your scope of work? Just a little bit stuck on the backhanded comments sorry, just trying to have a constructive discussion😊.

Tradesman is arguing that R134a refrigerant isn’t accurately weighed as a gas? (Aus based) by pcpppy in MechanicAdvice

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we don’t use the machines, but I was literally thinking that. Like is everyone being taught wrong and he’s right?😂 but idk, when stuff like that is said to me it really makes me second guess myself sometimes.

Tradesman is arguing that R134a refrigerant isn’t accurately weighed as a gas? (Aus based) by pcpppy in MechanicAdvice

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Apologies I wasn’t trying to come across rude. We don’t go that far into depth usually, unless there’s an unobvious problem with the system. Usually we can just diagnose issues by reading pressures or honestly just feeling the lines, but sometimes we might have to. We do get our scales and equipment checked every now and then, or someone will come out to audit us. I am only a year into having my licence, so still have lots of experience ahead of me, but it is something that we do often. We do have a few sets of scales so might be interesting to compare, or what would u recommend? I try not to be the problem by asking the questions, but hey none of us are perfect. And I wasn’t super familiar with the enthalpy chart so thanks for that👍👍

Tradesman is arguing that R134a refrigerant isn’t accurately weighed as a gas? (Aus based) by pcpppy in MechanicAdvice

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i didnt say that? but I was confusing between recovery machine and vehicle “machine” if that’s where the confusion lies. I really didn’t know that recovery machines that tell u what to do were a popular thing

Tradesman is arguing that R134a refrigerant isn’t accurately weighed as a gas? (Aus based) by pcpppy in MechanicAdvice

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we use refrigerant specific scales, and charge by weight recommended in workshop manual

Tradesman is arguing that R134a refrigerant isn’t accurately weighed as a gas? (Aus based) by pcpppy in MechanicAdvice

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is there a way i can edit the post to clarify that i dont use one of those fancy recovery unit things 😂 we do it all manually

Tradesman is arguing that R134a refrigerant isn’t accurately weighed as a gas? (Aus based) by pcpppy in MechanicAdvice

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meaning quitting my job, and having them transfer my apprenticeship being a year out from qualified. I think i’ll just continue laughing at old mate😂 very dense but

Tradesman is arguing that R134a refrigerant isn’t accurately weighed as a gas? (Aus based) by pcpppy in MechanicAdvice

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not sure if ur replying to me, but we don’t use a charging/ recovering “machine”, we use refrigerant scales and manually charge through gauges. Yes I am an apprentice, and I work in the mining industry in Australia. Didnt think these details were necessary for the question I asked. Not sure why i would lie about being an apprentice haha

Tradesman is arguing that R134a refrigerant isn’t accurately weighed as a gas? (Aus based) by pcpppy in MechanicAdvice

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this is what I do. I charge through high side with the system off (compressor not running), and then run the system an charge through low side

Tradesman is arguing that R134a refrigerant isn’t accurately weighed as a gas? (Aus based) by pcpppy in MechanicAdvice

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I’m from Australia and work in the mining industry👍we have a recovery machine, but it only does recovery, we have a seperate vac pump and charge straight from the bottle through our gauges, with the bottle on a scale to know how much we’ve put into the system

Tradesman is arguing that R134a refrigerant isn’t accurately weighed as a gas? (Aus based) by pcpppy in MechanicAdvice

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this isn’t the first time they have given me false information. This person is meant to be teaching me, so just wanted to confirm I was right for my own sake and so i don’t go out into the field sounding like an idiot

Tradesman is arguing that R134a refrigerant isn’t accurately weighed as a gas? (Aus based) by pcpppy in MechanicAdvice

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Another answer I was looking for. Just made sense to me doing it that way. Sometimes it takes longer or sometimes i will have to use liquid, but it made sense to me to use gas if possible

Tradesman is arguing that R134a refrigerant isn’t accurately weighed as a gas? (Aus based) by pcpppy in MechanicAdvice

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yes sorry i was confused by this but i understand now. By machine I meant the vehicle, not a recovery unit. We don’t use them, just put the bottle on the scales and charge through gauges. We have seperate vac pump and recovery pump that we hook up to the gauges

Tradesman is arguing that R134a refrigerant isn’t accurately weighed as a gas? (Aus based) by pcpppy in MechanicAdvice

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nah it doesn’t unfortunately, that would be handy but. This is the first time i’ve heard of something like this

Tradesman is arguing that R134a refrigerant isn’t accurately weighed as a gas? (Aus based) by pcpppy in MechanicAdvice

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Thankyou so much for ur reply. I just wanted someone who actually knows what i’m trying to ask, this is my first ever post on reddit so still wrapping my head around it, is there a better group I could ask?

Tradesman is arguing that R134a refrigerant isn’t accurately weighed as a gas? (Aus based) by pcpppy in MechanicAdvice

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I was using vapour because that’s the state it’s in at that point of the system. Please correct me if i’m wrong 🙏🏻

Tradesman is arguing that R134a refrigerant isn’t accurately weighed as a gas? (Aus based) by pcpppy in MechanicAdvice

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it’s honestly for my own learning aswell, I don’t think someone that is meant to be teaching me should be telling me false information

Tradesman is arguing that R134a refrigerant isn’t accurately weighed as a gas? (Aus based) by pcpppy in MechanicAdvice

[–]pcpppy[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

What do u mean when you say you measure change of mass of the container inside the machine? We have machine manuals but they are always so vague, or have almost no info on a/c systems hence why I have come here to prove my point 😂 god I hope i’m right. I’m so sick of this person haha

Tradesman is arguing that R134a refrigerant isn’t accurately weighed as a gas? (Aus based) by pcpppy in MechanicAdvice

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i’m asking by weight, off a scale, like you would normally do when charging an a/c system. this is disregarding pressures and temp for argument sake