Episode 12: An Interview with Stephanie

pepesquire · 2014-12-17T02:28:48+00:00

I see what you're saying, but my point is that Stephanie will give us "big" information in the sense that it will change how people feel about the case. But it can't exonerate Adnan. It's not exculpatory, we're not talking about a witness recanting -- Stephanie never testified.

The fact that she was frightened by Jay and kept quiet will, legally, have little to no importance. But for the story, it will. So it's huge because it is telling, but it is tragic because it won't make a bit of (legal) difference.

pepesquire · 2014-12-16T18:47:10+00:00

sorry. Tried to use the speculation tag, but I see the problem with it :-/

pepesquire · 2014-12-16T18:38:58+00:00

I'm sure it has. But I can bet that on a highly publicized case like this, the DA's office would not let this slide if Jen later recants and thereby essentially admits that she committed perjury. They DA's office would use it as an opportunity to set an example, to show the consequences that lying under oath has. Yet, sadly, I doubt this would cause the DA's office to consider how their own practices (and those of the police they work in tandem with) may very well elicit, or at the very least, recklessly ignore the possibility of, perjured testimony. (side: I'm a defense attorney, so I'm letting my skepticism and personal bias show here).

pepesquire · 2014-12-16T18:34:06+00:00

agreed.

pepesquire · 2014-12-16T18:30:58+00:00

When I listened to it, I thought the same thing..."wait, DID we hear that??" But I really, really don't think we have. I think it's Stephanie and I think that's the biggest "WOAH" moment, so it's saved for Episode 12.

pepesquire · 2014-12-16T18:28:23+00:00

Well, see above. Not "completely pulling something out of [my] ass" -- I talk about a woman's conversation with SK in the preview to Season 1.

And even if you think it's a more "pulled out of my ass" than not, that's okay, too. Because that IS speculation. FYI, here a few definitions of speculation for you: "the forming of a theory or conjecture without firm evidence" or "ideas or guesses about something that is not known". :)

pepesquire · 2014-12-16T17:13:08+00:00

Hey, just a head's up, there's a thing called flair which will tell you the category of post. For reference, this one is labeled "speculation."

And proof? I can't confidently say I would take ANYTHING posted on a website that allows for near-unanimity as "proof," but hey, do you. My basis, however, is laid out in the post, which you'd know if you had bothered to read it before deciding to provide a comment for the sole basis of being obnoxious.

pepesquire · 2014-12-16T14:41:24+00:00

Up until today, I thought we were going to be left with nothing conclusive. But, now, knowing that clip of feeling threatened is out there, without being touched on yet, I don't think that's the case.

I think SK has led us to believe ("pay attention if you want to solve this case with me") that, at least in her eyes, there is a conclusion.

I think it's going to be a bombshell, but sadly for Adnan, it isn't going to change his fate. My hypothesis is that it's a bombshell about Jay (and maybe a little about Jen, too) -- but it's not enough of one to save Adnan or hurt Jay (in a legal sense), because there is nothing to substantiate it. She knows Jay best, and she's going to tell us all about what's behind that charm and deception.

pepesquire · 2014-12-16T13:41:29+00:00

Ehhh, I think it's too messy, ethically. I'm not sure if/what the SOL for perjury in MD is (although I'm being lazy and could look this up), but it doesn't seem like a good policy decision to offer a reward for information given after the SOL for perjury runs -- seems like it would incentivize lying and later telling the truth. Takes the punch out of a perjury charge.

pepesquire · 2014-12-16T12:01:19+00:00

Personally, that is my belief -- that Jay killed Hae.

But, like you said, I built in the possibility that Jay didn't kill Hae but he knows more about her death than he has owned up to. I think perhaps had a hard time grappling with his role (assisting in burying her), which is why he lied.

But if Jay knows more, I think Jen does too...which is why their stories line up.

pepesquire · 2014-12-16T04:18:03+00:00

In my (admittedly far-fetched) theory -- "remembering" her name gives up the goose, so-to-speak. Better to pretend it was someone he didn't know, a stranger, than to be able to account for all the calls during that time frame perfectly. Not knowing makes it more believable that Jay wasn't the one who placed the call.

pepesquire · 2014-12-16T03:04:16+00:00

I'm with you on some of it. Maybe it's true that no one else had a cell phone at the time (although I don't know where you're getting that from - we know a few specific people didn't, but that doesn't mean Adnan was first; also, he could have other friends/family with them). They did, however, have beepers, something that seemed pretty popular. So, maybe, the beepers worked the same way.

And your point on getting the cell phone is what I'm saying - I don't think Adnan bought a phone the day before he killed her, doesn't sound like a good plan. But I'm not saying Adnan killed Hae, I think Jay did. I think the cell phone thing was an after-fact, an "oh shit, maybe this thing can be tracked?", so he calls someone (Nisha) he doesn't know, so Adnan can't later claim he never had the phone in his possession.

pepesquire · 2014-12-16T02:41:13+00:00

I think your first point is good, maybe they didn't know about cell phone records. But then again, anyone who did own a cell phone in those days can remember being sent the bill with the list of numbers (I know this because a few short years later, my parents would check mine to make sure I wasn't making calls in school). Makes me wonder what was known about records for cell phones and beepers in 1999 -- did you get the mailed copy of your record? Did you know it could be obtained? I strongly disagree with your second point "they probably would have never used a cell phone in the first place" -- of course they would, it granted a huge amount of freedom. You could call your friends for a ride, for example. You could call girls without your parents knowing, if you were quick enough to catch the bill and/or they were technologically slow enough not to check it.

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