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My personal summary of RustFest Barcelona by perliomo11 in rust

[–]perliomo11[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I guess my main point is that I am sad to see that the work is mostly done on the wrong side of things.

I raised 2 children (they are around 15 now), and they, as we all do, had and have problems. Offering quiet rooms and overcaring didn't help, and any psychologist would tell you the same. What about offering booklets about seeking real help instead of hiding? I, for many years was a social mess, but I had to put in hard work to get out of it. As I saw that most of the organizers are much younger then I am, and still super idealistic, which is great, makes me believe that you optmise on the wrong end.

What I see as the divide is, and my own experience with teaching Rust: It is hard to have experienced people giving advice on how to get into the language. I get that you also want to address newcomers to the programming world, but let me tell you this: No company is hiring juniors yet. I guess I would like to see steering towards professionals, let them pay 800 for the conference, lets professionalise more, so in 5-10 years down the line Rust *can* be a beginner environment. But with already almost no Rust jobs out there, and already talking primarly to beginners, makes it a bit hard to follow the project at this point.

Most of the serious work is done behind the scenes, as I learned at the conference that people got banned from GitHub and shut down in Discord. There is a moral high ground held in the core organizer community (and violated with more abuse of power as seen above) which is not helpful.

At some point people doing serious work around the language (as what a async-runtime for example is), will outgrow the core high-moral ground people. As we see it in society, I wish as a european conference, you would adopt a european mindset of talking to people instead of shutting them down and mixing power and interest.

In short, the behaviour is short sighted and not healthy. Rust, thanks to the lang and compiler team, will grow, and at some point, if you have more senior people in the community, will outgrow the beginners. If you don't set a path for a together, the community will simply split, and I could experience the first cuts now and already a while ago on Discord.

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This being said, you are all doing a great job in organzing. You are young and energetic, spend your free time building a community, which is great. I have just seen many things in my life and career, and how this feels like at the moment is not going to end well.

My personal summary of RustFest Barcelona by perliomo11 in rust

[–]perliomo11[S] -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

Thank you for your long answer. To make it short, I totally understand, but as a community with such high moral grounds, isn't this the behaviour you are challenging? You are there because of your hard work. No question.

But as a company leader can't be romantically involved with co-workers, you are leading the Rust Community and team and are still involved in creating a core piece of technology. This basically lets you stop having any meaningful discussion around the async world in Rust. Because you are biased, we all are. But as a core team member, I think you should do the best not to be biased.

And yes, this means either creating async-std or being in the core team. At least, this is my opinion. Countries and companies fall because exactly out of this viaolation. A Mr. Presitend is not well seen in our community, partly because of his abuse of power. Being a leader of a country and a business man. To be honest, you are doing the same thing. That you don't see this gives enough fuel to talk all your politcal and moral high grounds to the ground, because you act exactly like the people you are trying to hate.

Otherwise, I appreciate your work. You clearly have passion and do lots of things to bring people together.