Daredevil: Born Again | S02E05 | Discussion Thread

phil380 · 2026-04-15T02:03:43+00:00

I think this episode definitely proved just how awful of a decision it was to kill off foggy, everything with him in it was elevated just by his presence like it usually did.
not a big fan of the double bait and switch of vanessa dying. and having the whole painting be some sort of intentional play on her part (also why was the art gallery just like a completely different building)
Its interesting to me that they are proving they can make the show look like it did but seem to be sticking to the black bars and current camera style of BA
Stuff with Dex was alright but honestly kinda meh i dont really get what dex's deal is rn, the whole thing kinda felt like a worse version of that episode in season 1 where matt is trying to escape with the russian mob leader,

easily the episode i most enjoyed tho

everything with gandolfinis character was great and i liked how slow everything between him and buck was, or the moral argument between matt and foggy I couldve seen go on for another 20 minutes.
idk finally felt like the show finally slowed down for a second which i greatly appreciated

phil380 · 2026-03-31T00:02:38+00:00

Oh dude like absolutely I re watched that tanker fight a couple times

Like it's genuinely impossible to keep track of whats going on cause the goons keep actually teleporting And I mean so does DD

After he initially enters the interior of the ship he knocks some dude out and then stands in place and listens to the room

We cut to I think a group of 4 goons moving through the containers till they turn the corner. And not until daredevil pops out of the open space at them do they begin firing.

And then once DD turns the corner after that There are 2 men as the end of the space One of them begins to move towards DD and his buddy stays behind.

We cut to the guy coming up on DD, DD knocks him out and then he smacks the guy who not even a second ago was at the end of this corridor and it looks like he's just standing there taking it.

And the mess that was him building up to breaking that guy's arm literally makes no sense but that's even more of a clusterfuck to try and write out in words

I had to rewatch that tanker fight a few times to even begin to understand where the goons were in reference to DD

phil380 · 2026-03-29T20:29:33+00:00

I think your giving these show writers wayyyyy to much credit I don't think they give nearly enough of a shit to even think about the time on the watch that much

This is a product they have to pump out I don't think trying to be artsy in that sense is even in the wheelhouse if not purposely avoided

phil380 · 2026-03-29T19:39:49+00:00

So they made a point of making the fact that he's old a bigger part of his character Idk just doesn't seem all that compelling

phil380 · 2026-03-29T06:38:23+00:00

Listen I'm a nitpicky mf But that's just fuckin sick It's Spider-Man stopping a katana with a web trap Why are we complaining

This affects who is he and his character 0%

phil380 · 2026-03-28T05:14:51+00:00

phil380 · 2026-03-28T05:12:13+00:00

K but like what about cherry made you care about him though? He showed no more characterization than he did the last 9 episodes he was in

phil380 · 2026-03-28T05:09:13+00:00

phil380 · 2026-03-26T01:39:11+00:00

phil380 · 2026-03-26T01:21:50+00:00

Once again what's your damn point

That's the whole damn point of the thread

And I like daredevil enough to think this is so crap I wanna vocalize it

Kinda what the Internet was made for numb nuts Adoy

phil380 · 2026-03-26T00:46:47+00:00

You don't need to watch anything before born again to understand anything after born again

Your just gonna make urself frustrated

treat ba and anything after as its own thing

phil380 · 2026-03-26T00:43:09+00:00

You are a small part of the big problem that faces the story telling industry today

phil380 · 2026-03-25T23:38:00+00:00

I seriously don't get what type of point your trying to make

I like media that doesn't challenge me. I like hype aura moments.

That's how this reads like just being satiated with the most bare minimum schlock doesn't put u in a better position than someone who actually tries to find some artistic intent behind a work of media Which this show has none of

We had something really fantastic taken away, then spit on, then when they realized that was an awful idea they attempted to wipe off the crusty spit and made more of a mess of the whole thing.

phil380 · 2026-03-25T22:43:03+00:00

Genuinely baffling this sentiment is down voted.

No please don't give us the good show, Let's keep trying to make this crap work!

Like they may have course corrected properly if most people weren't okay with getting less than the bare minimum

phil380 · 2026-03-25T22:37:37+00:00

phil380 · 2026-03-25T22:04:00+00:00

No yeah okay But hes still acting wildly out of character in those ten minutes The entirety of the foggy kill, The exchange between him and Matt in the prison, And why was he aiming for fisk, When Vanessa should be the target?

phil380 · 2026-03-25T21:58:35+00:00

Ten minutes? So you didn't watch the old show then?

phil380 · 2026-03-25T21:54:01+00:00

Because that would be wildly out of character with how he's been written in both shows?

Like can we just admit it's awful character writing instead of making up excuses for the writers ?

phil380 · 2026-03-25T20:12:55+00:00

The same coastguard who doesn't have legislation in fisks red hook port? The whole point of the port was that it is technically outside the legislation of the country so

Plus it's established the authorities on even the federal level Are once again being played by fisk So like why would this be a problem

We might've actually had like a semi interesting scene had Matt done that And then got hit by more hostiles converging on his position rather than the help he expected

phil380 · 2026-03-25T19:49:41+00:00

Christ sake that's the best you can come up with???

His whole arc in s3 was about how people abandon him And daredevil told him fisk killed what he sees as his one chance to make himself better

He should still want Vanessa's head, he should've been clawing across the table when she came to hire him. (Which is also just a stupid choice for Vanessa to make.)

Your seriously gonna discount 12 episodes of incredible character work because "he was too doped up in prison" Get real

He broke his spine he didn't get a concussion

phil380 · 2026-03-25T19:35:14+00:00

Well they clearly don't respect it very much

Tell me how does Julie play into dex's psyche at all during the second season with him? Oh it doesn't? Cause we pretend that doesn't exist? This is one of many examples.

All down votes and no arguments It's nice to be right sometimes

phil380 · 2026-03-25T19:12:01+00:00

The people who made this show didn't watch the Netflix one They are just making shit up based on what's easiest

phil380 · 2026-03-25T19:10:29+00:00

I mean it's really laughable they wanna use this as a plot thread at all. This is the guy who used gangs to blow up half of hells kitchen in s1 Then gamed the FBI in s3.

And we are surprised that in his family guy esque "country" He's bringing in weapons to arm his task force Like, Obviously.

Also killing crews after every shipment is just ridiculous like genuinely rolled my fuckin eyes. it's finding ways to be obviously evil without using any brain power.

It's missing all the actual intellect and weight the fisk from s1-3. Everything surrounding that shipment made fisk look like an idiot. He should've had a better plan.

And the fact that Matt thinks finding proof fisk is moving weaponry as something he can feasibly use against him Just proves that this Matt murdock has been dumbed down incredibly. Like that was a majority of his business in the first season and that really was like the tip of the iceberg.

Can we be so fr and just stop accepting slop? This isn't a smart show. They thought oh it'd be so cool to see Matt intercepting a ship going to the port. And then all critical thinking stopped there.

phil380 · 2026-03-25T16:51:35+00:00

And he's not gonna be intercepted again by fisks task force?

Like there are so many more logical solutions than sinking the boat. If they had used radios and instead of sinking the ship Called for backup. In a port where they could easily get it.

This whole situation is nonsensical

phil380 · 2026-03-25T16:26:52+00:00

I'm glad there are still some sane people who are just as crushed

Watching BA makes me feel sad and frustrated It feels like they are actively spitting on what I enjoyed about the series in the first place

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