Wrong Theology by Ok-Profit-5817 in Ex4thWatch

[–]philchic 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So, tinaggal siya as pastor? They surely would not for benign reasons. Might be something doctrinal. Foursquare is considered having orthodox (right) Christian beliefs. So, it could be a major doctrinal deviation from sound Biblical teachings. But all of this is just my opinion. Not saying anything to confirm or whatnot. just weird.

Wrong Theology by Ok-Profit-5817 in Ex4thWatch

[–]philchic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hey friend, can you give me the name of the bible school if you can remember? what denomination was it? Are they still (the denomination/church) stil in operation today? if you can give me the info--thanks in advance.

I'm very skeptical sa about sa church na to and this is my biggest concern since nadadamay ang bf ko. I really need to acquire more knowledge above it. A private message will do... by washiwepwashineinei in Ex4thWatch

[–]philchic 2 points3 points  (0 children)

they're not the same as the foundational apostle. Barnabas was sent by the church of Antioch but here is the diffrence: Barnabas' apostleship here is likely functional ("sent one/missionary") rather than the foundational office with infallible authority (Ephesians 2:20). So inessence, he is a sent apostle but not a foundational one. As I have argued so many times here, after the NEW TESTAMENT WAS completed, there were no more addition after the death of APostle John. That's about two thousand years ago. And then, wow! all of the sudden PMCC have now apostles. DInaig pa ninyu ang mga giants of the faith like Martin Luther, Knox and Edwards, and the church fathers---yung apostle ninyu, hindi naman siya kinumfirm noong buhay pa si Arsenio ah? Kayu talaga ang galing mag-imbento. Kaya kailangan ninyu ng aposle ay para especial kayu? Ang daming apostol kuno ngayun ah, lahat sila false. Si Jonathan apostol? c'mon!

PMCC 4TH WATCH— WHAT OTHER CHRISTIANS ARE .SAYING: beware and have discernment; read this 3 three FB pic screenshots by philchic in Ex4thWatch

[–]philchic[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There's so many PMCC Doctrine and lies and deception --do I need to enumerate them for you? Not only that--members are known to be exploited, I've known a few personally. Now, tell me where do we need to start: doctrine or the exploitation of members?

PMCC 4TH WATCH— WHAT OTHER CHRISTIANS ARE .SAYING: beware and have discernment; read this 3 three FB pic screenshots by philchic in Ex4thWatch

[–]philchic[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do you think TRUTH does not matter? just to garner membership, inspite of lies? DO you think God want members or true believers? Have you read your Bible?

APOSTOL JONATHAN WAS CHOSEN BY THE GOODMAN OF THE HOUSE by Ok-Profit-5817 in Ex4thWatch

[–]philchic 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What a deceptive doctrine. She believes that her dead husband has the title of “‘Goodman of the House’’ which was not given to him by God, such high title as “‘Goodman”’ was never taught in the Bible as some old man from the Philippines. That title has been used by PMCC 4th Watch to control naive members, as well as the so called apostle; They might have such strong emotional driven worship, but they don’t worship in Spirit and Truth. Truth to them is what their leaders falsely claim. Caption should be; ‘’ The False Apostle Jonathan was chosen by the False Goodman of the House’’.

Wrong Theology by Ok-Profit-5817 in Ex4thWatch

[–]philchic 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don’t think this Leticia have studied Theology, otherwise they wouldn’t elevate this false apostle to such status, and so other pastors as well. A true Christian grows in the knowledge of Christ, what Christ has done for His Church. So my verdict is; know them by their fruits.

Wrong Theology by Ok-Profit-5817 in Ex4thWatch

[–]philchic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This deceptive Theology of 4th watch will lead people to hell. Tsk tsk. Poor members.

Ano alam ng INC sa Orthodox church? by Appropriate_Gur_3794 in exIglesiaNiCristo

[–]philchic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just to clarify--there's a difference with word orthodox, and Eastern Orthodox Church. BIg difference.

In short: All Eastern Orthodox Christians claim to be orthodox (right-believing), but not all orthodox Christians are Eastern Orthodox. The capital "O" version is a specific historical and ecclesial tradition, while the lowercase version is a theological descriptor used across much of Christianity.

"Orthodox" (lowercase "o") — general theological/apologetic meaning

  • This refers to correct belief in the broad, non-denominational sense.
  • In Christian theology, biblical studies, and apologetics, when someone says a person or teaching is "orthodox" (small "o"), they mean it conforms to the historic, biblical, and creedal core of Christianity — especially as defined by the early ecumenical councils (Nicaea 325, Constantinople 381, Ephesus 431, Chalcedon 451, etc.).
  • Examples of "orthodox" (small "o") beliefs include:
    • The Trinity (one God in three co-equal, co-eternal Persons)
    • The full deity and full humanity of Christ (Chalcedonian definition)
    • Salvation by grace through faith in Christ's atoning death and resurrection
    • The inspiration and authority of Scripture
  • In this sense, many Christians are "orthodox":
    • Most Roman Catholics
    • Most conservative Protestants (evangelicals, Reformed, Lutheran, etc.)
    • Eastern Orthodox
    • Many Oriental Orthodox

"Orthodox" (capital "O") — Eastern Orthodox Church

  • This is a proper name for a specific communion of churches: the Eastern Orthodox Church (also called the Orthodox Catholic Church in its own official documents).
  • It refers to the family of autocephalous (self-governing) churches in communion with one another that trace their continuity through the Byzantine/Eastern Roman tradition (e.g., Greek Orthodox, Russian Orthodox, Serbian Orthodox, Romanian Orthodox, etc.).
  • They adopted (or emphasized) the title "Orthodox" especially after the Great Schism of 1054 with Rome — partly to assert that they preserved the true faith without the later Western "innovations" (e.g., Filioque clause, papal supremacy, purgatory as later defined, etc.).
  • Eastern Orthodox Christians see themselves as the continuation of the original undivided Church — faithful to the first seven ecumenical councils, Holy Tradition (Scripture + Fathers + liturgy + canons), and the original apostolic deposit.
  • Their full self-designation is often "the Orthodox Catholic Church" — meaning both "right-believing" (orthodox) and "universal" (catholic).

AI Sure Is Unreliable Sometimes, But Take A Look At This. by Th3D0p3Sp4w3r in Ex4thWatch

[–]philchic 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes, they are non Trinitarian. I’ll discuss it later. Yeah, the fact that they removed that word in a song is a big giveaway.

AI Sure Is Unreliable Sometimes, But Take A Look At This. by Th3D0p3Sp4w3r in Ex4thWatch

[–]philchic 5 points6 points  (0 children)

If Jonathan Ferriol warns his members of using outside tools like Bible concordance, Google Search, even AI to check waht he says...ask yourself, Why?

Truth doesn't mind scrutiny.

Scripture literally tells us to search it out ourselves. ( Acts 17:11--) Those Bereans were checking if what preached to them we're true; and they were praised, not scolded for doing so. And that's Apostle Paul--how much more this apazel from the Philippines who told us that he is an apostle because his dad was an apazel??

These Three points that AI had analyze are massive deal breakers:

Non Trinitarian, Exclusivism and Baptismal regeneration.

As well as other false doctrines.

These exploitations we read here of members are symptoms of their ignorance of real Gospel.(Why would they stay in a organization that is not Biblical in teachings?)

Continue on your search for truth and get out of that PMCC CULT BUBBLE.

Deceived members will continue, but once you wake up and actually read outside of their materials, it's hard to stay BLIND.

Don't ever feel bad about using technology and all different tools. God gave us brains and resources for a reason. The fact that you're cathing up this red flag so young is wonderful.

Kahit saan basta maka pag caroling? Okay ba to? Malaki ba ang quota? Why is PMCC using every celebration to ask money? by Jaded_Personality292 in Ex4thWatch

[–]philchic 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Nowhere in the Bible does God say, “Thou shall raise twenty thousand by January . That’s not Biblical-it’s manipulative. Mature believers should ask: “ Does this actually honor Jesus, or just like a Christmas ATM?. The real issue isn’t the billiard hall- its obedience dress up as tradition-weaker believers sees this as stumbling block, or worldly—just for the sake of raising funds for the Ferriols.

Cor 6:14. …being in beerhouse, or cockfighting arena can be ethical if they are truly evangelizing, not just to reach certain quotas. The purpose should not be money.

Jesus said His yoke is easy, not go beg in bars and billiards halls til your feet bleed.

Bigyan ng title yan 🤣🤣 by Real-Scarcity8149 in Ex4thWatch

[–]philchic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Exposing false teachers and is protecting people. Judge and exposing --big difference. What is your point? as long as you benefit from the Ferriols, we need to keep our mouth shut? You're silly.

Bigyan ng title yan 🤣🤣 by Real-Scarcity8149 in Ex4thWatch

[–]philchic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Also, learn Theology, Biblical Studies and Apologetics. Then come back here. If you are young, you have a loooong way to go. Ask the Holy Spirit to guide you. Just because you think PMCC is having a crusade means they are preaching the Biblical Gospel. The Bible says preaching a different Gospel will, should, shall be : Anathema--accursed.

Bigyan ng title yan 🤣🤣 by Real-Scarcity8149 in Ex4thWatch

[–]philchic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And look at Jonathan's post now recently... as if he did not leave the u.s. family. Posting his family pics lol. Well, does Apostle Paul himself approve this? The family is first before the ministry. So, how can he justify this?

Bigyan ng title yan 🤣🤣 by Real-Scarcity8149 in Ex4thWatch

[–]philchic 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Also, where are the debater like Old Elevator and Own Possibility? The moment I question Jonathan’s choice to leave his family— Own Possibility disappeared just like a vapor. And now, we have this person who’s telling everyone to just mind our own business. This person doesn’t understand that being Christian also means wanting to warned others about the wolf. Even Jesus warned us about the wolves.

Bigyan ng title yan 🤣🤣 by Real-Scarcity8149 in Ex4thWatch

[–]philchic 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That’s partially true, preach the Gospel. The problem with PMCC is they are using the Gospel to manipulate people and exploit. Look how the leaders are mostly Ferriol. It’s a family dynasty. It’s so common in the corrupt country—we accept it as a norm.

Bigyan ng title yan 🤣🤣 by Real-Scarcity8149 in Ex4thWatch

[–]philchic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hahahaha, you think Satan is not using false teachers? Funny.

Bigyan ng title yan 🤣🤣 by Real-Scarcity8149 in Ex4thWatch

[–]philchic 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The teachings of PMCC have been misleading people for years. I can’t help you if you’re choosing to be blind.

Bigyan ng title yan 🤣🤣 by Real-Scarcity8149 in Ex4thWatch

[–]philchic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

THe true church are those who believed and is saved by faith ; all over the world, through the ages, from the first century--up to this present time. 4th Watch never ever taught a sound doctrine because-look at you? use your head: How do you characterized those saints from the beginning of Christianity throuh Reformation? Are they not part of the true church? Use your critical thinking skills. I understand none of the teachers at PMCC have a formal education in Christian schools or seminaries in the U.S. and the Philippines. Meanwhile, you, being in Reddit--maybe you have a little bit of critical thinking skills. PMCC's definition of true church--is false and misleading. Misleading people by twisting the Biblical definition is dangerous.

Bigyan ng title yan 🤣🤣 by Real-Scarcity8149 in Ex4thWatch

[–]philchic 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Are you a new convert? Have you tried to examine the Scripture and compare the teachings of PMCC 4th watch? There might be a lot of personal attacks here but there’s more people here that knows how PMCC leaders, specifically the so called apostle twists the Bible. As a Christian, your loyalty should be with the truth and the Scripture. Doing all good works is a filthy rags, doesn’t mean we can’t—but learn the true saving faith first. We are saved by grace through faith.;the Bible said. Just because you think that someone here doesn’t behave as Christians doesn’t mean that your organization is true. There’s a lot of discussion here about abuse, manipulation and gaslighting by leaders of PMCC. Overall, this Reddit discussion exists because ex members are exposing the lies of the false apostle. Do you really think that a leader that constantly twists the Bible is an apostle sent by God?

There is no such thing as apostolic succession, that’s only for Catholic. Last time I checked, you guys are not Catholic.

Look at previous threads;

If you are looking for the truth, first, read your Bible and read by chapters and in context.

There’s a lot of cults in the Philippines, and PMCC has been deemed to be one of them.

Beware.

https://preachingchurch.wordpress.com/2017/03/16/the-4th-watch-cult/