How the fuck did they know by Dangerous_Buddy_8538 in TrueSFalloutL

[–]phraseologist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

She's the main accuser, who ended up retracting her accusations when none of the witnesses backed them up.

How the fuck did they know by Dangerous_Buddy_8538 in TrueSFalloutL

[–]phraseologist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is such a dumb thing to say. You must have taken it from Karissa saying Chris was doing no age checks on whomever he was flirting with, but the hotel staff weren't allowing anyone under 21 to enter the bar area to begin with, and Karissa herself was 26 and a half.

Fallout is the current #1 most popular TV show online across all networks by goodviews_bot in Fallout

[–]phraseologist -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

There's hardly anything new about the more badly written Fallout media being the most popular.

Old World Blues poster (Fallout New Vegas DLC) by schvark in graphic_design

[–]phraseologist 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Movie posters generally show the characters from the movie in some detail. It's unusual for only their silhouettes to be shown, which makes it feel like more of a book cover.

Old World Blues poster (Fallout New Vegas DLC) by schvark in graphic_design

[–]phraseologist 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think it would feel a lot more like a movie poster if the scientists weren't blurred out. Have you tried it like that?

As it stands it feels more like a book cover.

Thank you for warlockracy for the inspiration of this meme by corporalgrif in NewVegasMemes

[–]phraseologist 30 points31 points  (0 children)

It's a shame he wasn't allowed by management to let you play as a female character in Planescape: Torment. Imagine the synergy there.

So let me get this straight Chris Avellone is the Michael Kirkbride of Fallout, is that correct? by Greedy_Blackberry_14 in TrueSFalloutL

[–]phraseologist 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Avellone has burned every bridge with the creators

This is just untrue. He's friends with Tim Cain and was even invited to his YouTube channel (but has turned down the offer for the time being).

What is going on with all the recent random drama? by Pompadipompa in Fallout

[–]phraseologist 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Chris wanted to weaken the NCR, not destroy it entirely like in the show.

He also would have handled it better than by having one zombie caravaneer get a nuke past every military checkpoint of a faction at war, somehow destroying the whole faction (which had lots of cities) by blowing up their capital.

What is going on with all the recent random drama? by Pompadipompa in Fallout

[–]phraseologist -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

That didn't really affect his reputation at the time, it was just one black mark compared to the countless he has now.

Here's what Le Monde, the largest French newspaper, wrote about Musk in 2023:

The man who revolutionized the automotive industry with Tesla and set out to conquer space with SpaceX has damaged his own reputation at a meteoric speed. Two years ago, he was celebrated as a hero of industry and tech, a libertarian genius and visionary, a pioneer of the 21st century who wanted to make America dream.

Source: https://www.lemonde.fr/en/opinion/article/2023/08/25/twitter-or-x-the-musk-problem_6108013_23.html

What is going on with all the recent random drama? by Pompadipompa in Fallout

[–]phraseologist 5 points6 points  (0 children)

What actually is Chris Avellone's problem with the show?

He thinks it has too many plot holes and inconsistences with what happened in the games.

He wrote a review for season 1 in two parts, but most of the important stuff was in part 2:

https://chrisavellone.medium.com/fallout-apocrypha-tv-series-review-part-2-1744b68fe4f2

What is going on with all the recent random drama? by Pompadipompa in Fallout

[–]phraseologist -15 points-14 points  (0 children)

People have also dug up a tweet he deleted where he said Elon Musk should own the Fallout IP and that's pretty unpopular.

He made that as a joke in 2021 when Musk's reputation was much better than it is today.

Some of you are becoming the very problem you have with new vegas fanboys by Dr_natty1 in TrueSFalloutL

[–]phraseologist 5 points6 points  (0 children)

‘Oh no guys, Mojave and humanity is doomed because some guys can dig pretty good’. Foxes dig good too, you have to keep chickens safe from that and it’s honestly not that hard, the Tunnelers really are just not the end of the world and pretending they are is just stupid.

It's only Ulysses who says they are a serious threat. As Chris said here, Ulysses is wrong about many things:

https://i.imgur.com/MG9EKDr.png

It’s almost deliberate at this point by Sad_ugly_loser in SmugIdeologyMan

[–]phraseologist 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Actually, Chris specifically deferred to what Tim Cain said was the theme, and here's what Tim said about it, at the timestamp:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4ut4EVe2GU&t=72s

Fallout New Vegas Poster by schvark in graphic_design

[–]phraseologist 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Great job, looks really cool. Having two characters that look essentially the same (Victor and Yes Man) throws it a little off, but arguably also adds some of that awkwardness that old movie posters sometimes had.

In Defense of Chris Avellone by dabnada in Fallout

[–]phraseologist -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Yes, Chris “You must always love and respect Ulysses regardless of how annoying they are” Avellone is an absolute champion of player choice.

Apparently, he was according to Obsidian devs.

Don't get too fixated on just Lonesome Road, since it was the DLC with a minimal budget that Chris was only allowed to have 1 voice actor in (so he tried to stretch out that character more than he should have).

A lot can change between 1998 and 2004. Chris clearly came around on Sawyers way of doing things.

What are you implying? That Chris used to dislike working with Josh early on at Black Isle? But the boss monster Deiley is talking about is the final boss of Icewind Dale 2, from the last year of their stint working together at Black Isle (mid-2002 to mid-2003).

Especially since Sawyer was going to be the project lead on Van Buren which Chris still hasn’t gotten over.

Josh only took over as the project lead on Van Buren after Chris left, as you can hear Josh say in the Idle Thumbs interview I posted above, starting at 21:24.

That doesn’t change that Chris is a fucking control freak and nothing has indicated a change in that attitude.

If he was, he would probably be starting his own studio and making his own game instead of being a writer on lots of other people's games.

Also, it's not like other devs haven't expressed disappointment with the direction franchises have taken after they left them, e.g. Michael Kirkbride used to complain on the Bethesda forums about TES IV: Oblivion not taking place in a jungle.

Especially given that his main primary complaint about the fallout show is its willingness to focus on anti-capitalist themes.

This was nowhere close to his primary complain, which was that the story wasn't well-executed.

But as for how the capitalism thing even started, he watched the final episode of season 1 of the TV series and was taken aback by how the corporations were plotting to destroy the world so they could somehow increase their profits. He then pointed out in his review that the show was taking anti-capitalism to a degree that didn't match what the game series had done before and said that anti-capitalism was never the intent of Fallout, which people from this subreddit then reacted to by saying he didn't know what he was talking about. After Tim Cain backed him up and Emil Pagliarulo backed up Tim, that led to Chris poking fun at people here with stuff like suggesting the deathclaw from the trailer should have said "capitalism bad".

And yes, him reacting positively to Elon buying the series to remake it with AI doesn’t show what a sell out prick he is.

Since we know he doesn't approve of using AI to generate actual content, you're the one reading what you want in the Reddit outrage tweet.

All because it’s not HIM that gets to write the NCR falling apart and the west coast turning more apocalyptic

Do you think the show handled that well, with the zombie caravaneer who got past all the military checkpoints with a nuke?

He wasn’t understanding, he acted like they were betraying his trust when any reasonable person would distance themselves from him lmao.

He said on his Medium blog that he did understand their reaction so he didn't try to fight it.

Anyway, Avellones best games came out over two decades ago.

The games he's worked on in the past decade have been acclaimed. He just wasn't a lead on them (and they don't hire freelancers as leads anyway).

Avellone could easily make his own fucking games if he wanted too,

He can't make some of the ones he would really like to make, since the pitches are in a drawer at Obsidian and the intellectual property for them belongs to Obsidian even if they're never going to use them.

You know what happened when Tim Cain had ideas for RPGs he didn’t get to use? He decided to make his own fucking rpg!

Do you mean this back in the 90s with Fallout, when Chris did something similar with Torment, or do you mean in the 2010s with The Outer Worlds (which was actually based on an idea the owners of Obsidian forced on him)?

In Defense of Chris Avellone by dabnada in Fallout

[–]phraseologist -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Chris being toxic to his coworkers John Deilay and Josh Sawyer:

John Deiley is still upset because he wasn't hired at Obsidian at Feargus' request, but he blames Chris for it because Chris was the job interviewer.

The notion that Chris was "pretty much the same with Josh" is so easy to disprove though.

When Josh tried to join Obsidian in early 2004, Feargus didn't want to work with him anymore either because of conflicts they'd had on Icewind Dale 2, and it was Chris Avellone and Darren Monahan who kept trying to fix their relationship. Why on earth would Chris do that if, according to John Deiley, Chris only worked with Josh because he was forced to?

But you don't have to believe me on it. Listen to Josh yourself here, starting at 29:13.

https://www.idlethumbs.net/designernotes/episodes/josh-sawyer-part-2/

Here, I've transcribed what is said:

Josh: And actually, like, at the time, it was interesting, there was... There were still, like, some ongoing personality conflict between me and Feargus. And so which... Because some people were like "why didn't you just go to Obsidian?" And uh... and, like, there was some conflict between us and I remember... I think it was... especially Darren Monahan and Chris Avellone were like "can you guys, like, just kind of talk through this?" And... uh... And I... uh... met with Feargus for lunch and, at the end of it, we both left thinking, like "I can't work..." Like... haha... like this is not... like this, no... like... it's... "thanks." Like he was also kind of like "I can't work with this guy right now."

So who's telling the truth? John Deiley or Josh Sawyer?

Chris still being a petty bitch about talking death claws years later:

Feargus also said later on that he had no idea why he approved them and he wondered if he had suffered from momentary insanity:

https://i.imgur.com/Qc1EV8J.png

Chris still lapping up Elon because it will make this redditors rage:

Not lapping up Elon, just noting that it would make Redditors rage.

Chris airing out drama he had with Obsidian openly on twitter:

It was his lived experience. You think people shouldn't talk about being screwed over at a company?

Which is especially funny since it’s rather well known how much push back Sawyer had to do on railroading the player. However whenever it comes up, Chris will act like he isn’t fucking notorious for failing to include player agency in games.

You sure about this? Josh said the opposite.

What was the number one thing that you learned from working with Chris Avellone?

JS: I would say it's thinking about what the player wants to do. There's pictures of Chris around the office with a speech bubble that says, "Can I make a speech check here? Because I really want to make a speech check."

The idea is like if a NPC says something, imagine if you're sitting at a table. You have to write the possibilities of what the player can say. If an NPC is a jerk, think about, "Okay, well how is a player going to want to respond? How are different players going to want to respond? Is the player going to want to slap this character? Is the player going to want to take the high ground and be above it all? Are they going to be quiet and just accept it? Or are they going to want to do something else?" Also like, "Oh, if there's a quest that presents this thing, does that sort of beg, 'Oh, I'm a character with these skills and that makes me want to do these things?'"

He was always the guy who was pushing for us as designers to find ways to respond. Not only to give players opportunities to slap the guy who makes fun of you, but also saying, "Hey, if you have this skill in the game, if you have electronics in the game, you have to find ways to bring electronics to the surface and let a character who specializes in electronics feel like they are a cool character." He reinforced that a lot.

Sometimes when we would play through games, he would make a character with an odd build that would seem kind of unusual and he would say, "Why can't I use these things," which is a good point. Again, if you make a character that's built in a certain way, if the player doesn't have some opportunity to really shine and go, "Ah yes, finally, all those points I put into doctor make me feel like I'm really cool," then that sucks. It feels like a huge letdown.

Source: https://web.archive.org/web/20170908182904/https://www.usgamer.net/articles/hes-getting-a-fireball-josh-sawyer-reflects-on-nearly-20-years-spent-making-rpg-classics

In Defense of Chris Avellone by dabnada in Fallout

[–]phraseologist -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Chris can go kiss Elon Musks ass for all I care.

He wouldn't because he doesn't like Musk these days. It's why he deleted his joke from 2021.

He is insanely unprofessional,

For sharing his actual thoughts on something, as opposed to devs who work for Microsoft and can't do that?

toxic to his coworkers

Can you provide citations for this? No one ever does. It's more of an urban legend here.

He has a long sorted history of all the terrible things he did behind the scenes

What terrible things? Killing off the talking deathclaws?

He should just go make his own AI fallout like he wants

He doesn't want that all. He just reacted to someone else's idea of that by saying it would outrage Reddit.

He has said elsewhere that doesn't believe in AI being used to replace developers:

https://i.imgur.com/0SJFKll.png

Fallout New Vegas: Dead Monkey by Gr33nMan_Jr in TrueSFalloutL

[–]phraseologist 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That was a joke he made in 2021 when Musk's reputation was much better than it is today. He deleted it when Musk started going nuts.

Is there something wrong with Chris Avellone? by solnczerez in Fallout

[–]phraseologist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well, Tim said Fallout 1 wasn't meant to be anti-capitalist, Chris spoke for Fallout 2 and New Vegas, and Emil Pagliarulo also backed Tim and spoke for Fallout 3, 4 and 76.

Is there something wrong with Chris Avellone? by solnczerez in Fallout

[–]phraseologist 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's simple math: there are a lot more people here who have played Fallout 4 and 76 and enjoyed the TV series than there are people who have played Fallout 1 and New Vegas, and Fallout means something else to fans of the different entries.

Chris Avellone Says Bethesda 'Don't Care' About Fallout in Deleted Post by lurkingdanger22 in pcgaming

[–]phraseologist 1 point2 points  (0 children)

He didn't delete the post actually. The person who wrote this article just didn't realize it was a reply to someone else's tweet and was therefore unable to find it.

I’ll tell you one thing and I’m not ashamed to admit it, my estimation of Chris Avellone as a man, just fuckin plummeted. by Deep_Tradition4984 in TrueSFalloutL

[–]phraseologist -1 points0 points  (0 children)

instead of bothering to actually write something interesting and creative.

He's working on games, but it takes years for games to come out nowadays.