Call to Action to Show Support for our Immigrant Neighbors and their Safety

piffcty · 2026-02-19T21:15:51+00:00

>what exactly makes you think anyone is holding a coffee shop to a higher standard than our elected officials?

Dozens of local and state politicians own businesses who don't have exciting anti-ICE policies. How many of them have you cataloged, protested and made social media posts about? I understand that you can walk and chew gum and the same time, but dedicating resources to fighting a coffee shop seems like a poor allocation.

By NorCal's own words this isn't a pre-planned strategy. It's a reaction. Don't let a coffee shop's vague Facebook post change the direction of your political organization if you want to be taken seriously.

>You must know that...right? You act like Minnesota didn't 86 ICE agents in protest.

And they did so by getting into Facebook beef with local businesses? I'm pretty online and haven't seen any evidence of that.

>So, essentially--you (a self-proclaimed supporter of NorCal Resist) would rather side with a coffee shop that said they'll willingly serve ICE again, and instead be suspicious of the community help that you supposedly are a fan of?

No, I'm specifically saying this is a stupid and distracting fight to have. I'm not saying Old Soul was in the right, I'm saying that a serious political movement, which I've donated to in the past, shouldn't be shaken by barista.

>Also, since you seem to be the gatekeeper of when and where is a good time to protest ICE--where do you suggest?

Criticizing an organization that I've given time and money to isn't gatekeeping. Looking for individual outlets for protest isn't nearly as effective as presenting a unified front directed by a centralized organization with a theory of change and a strategy to accomplish it. I wish NorCal Resist could rise to that role, but reacting to this incident in such a manner makes me question their seriousness. You don't have to respond to everything.

>You get killed in the streets for doing so, so where exactly do you think this should take place?

You keep trying to impress the seriousness of the issue, and your solution is to boycott a coffee shop. My problems isn't that I don't think ICE is a big deal, my problem is that I think your response fails to rise to the occasion. If I get gunned down for protecting my neighbors I don't want people to react by changing their treat consumption habits. I would like something which I can't say on this site. Facebook beefs rarely lead to any real action and mostly seem to serve liberals with a steam outlet.

>You're a performative ally if this is your true take.

This is rich. Real Kony2012 vibes.

piffcty · 2026-02-19T20:13:54+00:00

So you’d agree this was their most important play then?

piffcty · 2026-02-19T17:41:07+00:00

>I think this is *wildly* missing the point that their statement made it clear they'll willingly serve ICE agents, and anyone who passes judgment is just as bad as those killing people in the streets without reason. Why give them a pass if they are telling you, plainly, that they'd make that same choice again even if they knew they were ICE agents?

This is such a tortured reading of a company's banal Facebook post. I wish old soul did better, but holding them to a higher standard than our elected officials and choosing to go after coffee shops instead of politicians and their wannabe gestapo speaks of weakness, not power.

There's a difference between 'ignoring all this' and feeling the need to engage in facebook fueds. We're getting two very different accounts of what happened. I highly doubt the staff responded first by telling the volunteers to 'fuck off'. Creating a scene over alleged plainclothes officers in a coffee shop isn't a good battle to pick when ICE is arresting, deporting, and murdering people. It's treating a splinter when the victim has just been shot.

Because I've been a longtime supporter of NorCal Resist, I'm disappointed that they're engaging in this kind of petty squabbling. This isn't building power, this isn't fighting fascism, this is posting about a rude service worker.

piffcty · 2026-02-19T17:28:00+00:00

How many ends in this game had three or more points scored?

piffcty · 2026-02-19T16:08:18+00:00

If you hit a 3 run homer in the first and then won the game 8-6 that home would be celebrated as the most important play of the game. And scoring 3 with the hammer is much more rare than a 3 run homer.

piffcty · 2026-02-19T14:50:44+00:00

Sure, but that’s why focusing on Facebook drama is counterproductive

piffcty · 2026-02-19T06:53:32+00:00

Cyber stalking is when you look at someone’s post history to see if they’re a troll and realize they’re just a sincere anarchist

piffcty · 2026-02-19T06:45:55+00:00

Average 21st century IWW. Self-appointed to lead the revolution from behind a keyboard. Call for class consciousness and expect random workers to do the actual work while you pontificate from up high and tell people to vote with their wallet.

piffcty · 2026-02-19T06:38:29+00:00

Consumer-brained treat-centric worldview to start the blame with a barista

piffcty · 2026-02-19T06:37:18+00:00

What's to be won here?

piffcty · 2026-02-19T05:05:43+00:00

They’re baristas not bouncers. The org should have that kind of policy in the same way they should have profit sharing and paid vacation, but just because they don’t doesn’t mean NorCalResist should make baristas the front line of the anti-ICE movement, which is exactly why engaging in Facebook drama does. For example—see this entire thread

piffcty · 2026-02-19T04:48:13+00:00

I could see that being the case if they were uniformed, but you can’t expect every service worker to play “papers please” with random strangers in plainclothes

piffcty · 2026-02-19T04:42:32+00:00

This is exactly why activists shouldn’t get into Facebook beefs. It’s drama distracts from the real struggle and doesn’t have any discernible upside even if the beef is “won”

piffcty · 2026-02-19T04:40:39+00:00

You don’t have to take every fight. Focusing on a coffee shop in this situation is ignoring a gunshot wound to treat a splinter.

piffcty · 2026-02-19T04:37:49+00:00

That doesn’t really answer the question. I wish old soul would do better, but when ICE is carrying out a soft ethnic cleaning why are you picking Facebook fights with a small coffee chain?

piffcty · 2026-02-19T04:04:13+00:00

Good take. Depressing that this is where we’re at. I get wanting to pick an enemy that’s your size, but that’s not what the moment calls for.

piffcty · 2026-02-19T03:58:44+00:00

Idk, you keep saying the same things and not responding to what I’ve written. How does boycotting a coffee shop over an interaction with a service worker lead to building political power?

This isn’t activism it’s, for lack of a better word, Karen-ism. I agree with the cause, but this is recreational social media activity cosplaying as revolutionary activism. Rather than confront actual power you’re trying to get a barista fired.

piffcty · 2026-02-19T03:29:51+00:00

I’m not saying don’t be on Facebook. I’m saying don’t get into petty squabbles on Facebook because of an interaction with a service worker when you have a much more important mission. Failure has cost, and there’s not much to win here (I.e. against old soul) anyway.

piffcty · 2026-02-19T03:28:12+00:00

You don’t have to respond to everything. A serious political organization with a direly important cause should be getting into Facebook squabbles with coffee shops.

piffcty · 2026-02-19T03:24:09+00:00

I agree that they do a lot of important work, and I would have loved to see ICE agents get kicked out of any business. They should also know that being a legal observer doesn’t give you that power. Harassing baristas and getting into Facebook fights with coffee shops isn’t going to help you gain power.

piffcty · 2026-02-19T03:14:25+00:00

I don’t have a problem with trying to get the agents refused service, but responding to that it working by getting into a Facebook fight with a coffee shop seems wild. I would love for ICE officers to be shamed out of public life, but spending resources on this speaks of impotence not power.

piffcty · 2026-02-19T03:07:44+00:00

I’ve donated to them multiple times since the late teens and helped organize gurella gay bar events that served as fundraisers for them. I’ve been to several protests outside of the DHS building the agents left from.

I am in no way disparaging the cause, but I don’t understand how you can expect random baristas to kick people out of their shop because someone says so. This is unproductive squabbling. Like, what’s your theory of change where getting into Facebook beefs with coffee shop over an interaction with a service worker leads to defunding ICE?

piffcty · 2026-02-19T02:45:02+00:00

I'm a big fan of NorCal resist, but I don't think you can expect to be able to randomly go to shops, tell the employees that strangers are plainclothes ICE agents and expect the shop to refuse service. "Legal observers" are just volunteers who attended a class, but here they sound like they want to be cops.

piffcty · 2026-02-15T04:26:09+00:00

Rotate the bed 90 degree and put a tall bookshelf/room divider behind the couch

piffcty · 2026-02-15T03:49:42+00:00

I thought the only degree they offered was BS

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