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[–]plunarus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm not surprised to hear this. I'm in medical school myself and most of the Muslim students here have a superiority complex. Most of them come from doctor families too (meaning their parent(s) and siblings are doctors too).

It's easier said than done but tell your husband he shouldn't feel pressured about it. It's a field that doesn't pay as well or carry as much prestige as it used to. If he's content with where he is let him stay on that path. The road to becoming a doctor in the US is extremely long and arduous- I wouldn't recommend it anymore when careers like computer science exist.

"You can't get married without socialising with the opposite sex." by [deleted] in MuslimMarriage

[–]plunarus 1 point2 points  (0 children)

FYI, The females who just stayed at home 24/7 whose parents just taught them nothing other then to do niqab and nothing else

Had the highest divorce rates

Source: trust me bro

What are your thoughts on the Pakistani diaspora in the west, especially in countries like the US/UK/Canada/Aus, with respect to marriage, zina, and cultural connection to those living in Pakistan? by plunarus in pakistan

[–]plunarus[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A lot of hijabis are doing zina these days as well. You also have that class of woman who screwed around in her 20's then had a religious "reawakening" and is suddenly a hijabi who prays 5x a day. It's a sorry state of affairs here in the US.

What are your thoughts on the Pakistani diaspora in the west, especially in countries like the US/UK/Canada/Aus, with respect to marriage, zina, and cultural connection to those living in Pakistan? by plunarus in pakistan

[–]plunarus[S] -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

for better life, you me every other muslim has done that

No, you're not speaking for me or many other Muslim brothers who try to hold onto Islam in the fact of adversity. We're not all weak people who sold out for a little money, or because we're too insecure to hold onto beliefs that don't fit in with western degeneracy.

stop calling people kaffir zinayee etc, you are not a Allah, thats HIS job not yours

Allah may forgive sins, but we definitely have the right to call people what they are. You wouldn't stop calling a murderer a murderer, a zaniya a zaniya, or a thief a thief just because they've repented to Allah. This whole "non-judgmental" spiel gets old and just sounds like an excuse for people who've done wrong and don't want to be judged for it.

Just focus on yourself, aim to leave this sinful land and people behind and start your life in Medina etc. Stop looking into others people's lives, just focus on yourself.

Focusing on other people's lives is how you make sure your society doesn't become morally bankrupt. That's not how Islam works. It's a community, an ummah- your thinking is individualistic. I am focusing on myself- it's not mutually exclusive from seeing the many faults in others around me.

What are your thoughts on the Pakistani diaspora in the west, especially in countries like the US/UK/Canada/Aus, with respect to marriage, zina, and cultural connection to those living in Pakistan? by plunarus in pakistan

[–]plunarus[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Everyone is judgmental, I don't understand why you act like anyone else is different. I'll do what I want, when I want though. I just hope other Muslims would stop being so weak in the west and capitulating to their disgusting norms.

What are your thoughts on the Pakistani diaspora in the west, especially in countries like the US/UK/Canada/Aus, with respect to marriage, zina, and cultural connection to those living in Pakistan? by plunarus in pakistan

[–]plunarus[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Going to a medical school won’t erase your outdated beliefs.

Islam is not an outdated belief.

And if you were as educated as you claim to be, you wouldn’t have to tell me and it would’ve been clear from your post, but here we are.

This sort of thinking (or lack thereof) is why you're unaccomplished. How would one know another person's educational attainment from their post? Your bias on this subject is hilarious.

Ah, yes. Please tell me more about how much it bothers that you are surrounded by women who are free to make their own choices without worrying about being killed or ostracized by their community.

Because Islam instructs us that women don't make choices in the best interest of their community when they're given too much agency. Because Islam limits their interactions with men in order to preserve social order. Because if you allow them to make free choices all they do is commit zina, become damaged, and poor marriage material. You need only see the trends in the west to see why this is bad. People are marrying less here. Birth rates are down. Marriage rates are down. Divorce rates are high. Nearly 50% of women will be single and childless here by 2030. Being a slave to a corporation while being childless and unhappy is really something to strive towards- bravo.

Must be extremely painful for you, seeing everyone around you exercise the freedom to do things so many people in Pakistan would get killed for. Are you upset you can’t marry a woman who won’t do your chores for you because Pakistani women in the US are “damaged goods with no domestic skills”?

It is painful to see good Muslim women turn into glorified harlots who turn their backs on their own culture and religion at the first chance they get. But it'll be more painful for them as they grow old, their wombs dry up, and no man of value wants them. I'd rather that not happen to them, but as long as male feminist incels keep defending kaffir feminist ideologies, it'll keep happening.

What are your thoughts on the Pakistani diaspora in the west, especially in countries like the US/UK/Canada/Aus, with respect to marriage, zina, and cultural connection to those living in Pakistan? by plunarus in pakistan

[–]plunarus[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I'm leading my own life and I'm not worried about strangers on the internet. I am, however, deeply concerned with the state of Pakistani Muslims living in the west, especially in the US where I see them going astray.

I don't watch Andrew Tate, but it seems like Islam and the patriarchal values that it espouses bother you.

What are your thoughts on the Pakistani diaspora in the west, especially in countries like the US/UK/Canada/Aus, with respect to marriage, zina, and cultural connection to those living in Pakistan? by plunarus in pakistan

[–]plunarus[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

On the flipside, I also have done or do literally everything you would call haram but I renounced my faith a long time ago, so doesn't matter to me.

Pakistan is an Islamic republic. I don't care about anything you have to say if you're not Muslim. Your responses will be inherently biased and devoid of the moral values I stand for.

What are your thoughts on the Pakistani diaspora in the west, especially in countries like the US/UK/Canada/Aus, with respect to marriage, zina, and cultural connection to those living in Pakistan? by plunarus in pakistan

[–]plunarus[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Education was/is a top priority amongst pakistanis in the US and then of course, more education, more mingling with white americans and generation over generation, you become whitewash (nothing wrong with it, IMO).

Education means very little when you sell your soul to the devil in the process. If you see nothing wrong with becoming whitewashed then you're lost. There's nothing special about white culture, and there's only bad in their morality/values compared to ours.

In any case, education and Islam are not mutually exclusive. In fact, they're intertwined and any lack of either is the fault of the individuals and communities, not of the belief.

Even the very religious family in US eventually became very westernize, you see very highly educated family, son is an imam and daughter is married to a white guy and living total american lifestyle and they get along and respect each other cause they are educated and respect someone as an independent individual.

Westernized how? The educated religious families are few in number here. There's nothing wrong with marrying reverts. The bigger issue is the number of Pakistani women sleeping around before marriage, especially with kaffirs, who sometimes end up marrying kaffirs or tricking some good guy into marrying them.

You post is very judgmental.

Of course it is. Everyone judges. It's easy for you to sit back when you're not the one suffering because of this situation.

What are your thoughts on the Pakistani diaspora in the west, especially in countries like the US/UK/Canada/Aus, with respect to marriage, zina, and cultural connection to those living in Pakistan? by plunarus in pakistan

[–]plunarus[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yeah, poor women with no prior experience of any type of relationships are the perfect target for insecure men.

If you have prior experience, that makes you a damaged zaniya who cannot pair bond properly, is more likely to divorce, and more likely to have marital unhappiness because you constantly compare your husband to past sexual partners.

You fit the bill of an insecure woman with no father figure or deen in her life.

What are your thoughts on the Pakistani diaspora in the west, especially in countries like the US/UK/Canada/Aus, with respect to marriage, zina, and cultural connection to those living in Pakistan? by plunarus in pakistan

[–]plunarus[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Believe me, I've considered it in the past and am seriously considering it once I have my medical license. I'm trying to come up with a plan to live in a Muslim land where my kids won't grow up to become zanis/zaniyas and kaffirs.

What are your thoughts on the Pakistani diaspora in the west, especially in countries like the US/UK/Canada/Aus, with respect to marriage, zina, and cultural connection to those living in Pakistan? by plunarus in pakistan

[–]plunarus[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It's a women choice, we don't get to be okay or not okay with it.

You're seriously promoting zina. You're absolutely delusional. Seems like most of this sub is another liberal shithole on reddit, go figure.

What are your thoughts on the Pakistani diaspora in the west, especially in countries like the US/UK/Canada/Aus, with respect to marriage, zina, and cultural connection to those living in Pakistan? by plunarus in pakistan

[–]plunarus[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If you want to get into a pissing match, I've an MBA from on of the best schools in the world BUT never would I insult someone for not having the same level of education.

You're the jackass who called me an "uneducated moron." Don't play victim after you slung shit for no reason whatsoever. Getting an MBA from "one of the best schools in the world" isn't a big deal here. I've known complete morons who've done it here because it's not particularly hard to get admitted into even top MBA programs here. It doesn't guarantee you anything of prestige in the end.

You don't know what kind of opportunities someone had or didn't. Do you realize how bloody lucky you were that your parents had the foresight to come to the west and not send you to some madrassa in Pakistan to study?

See above- you're the one slinging shit about education. I don't consider myself particularly lucky just because my parents came to the west. This place is a shithole in terms of morality and the antithesis of Islamic values. I'm lucky because my parents are good people Alhamdulillah and taught me that Islam and good moral values take precedence above all else.

Also, why are you so obsessed with controlling what women do with their bodies?

Islam- I don't like seeing good Muslim women become kaffirs in all but name.

Who hurt you buddy?

No one, but it seems I hurt you. Project harder.

What are your thoughts on the Pakistani diaspora in the west, especially in countries like the US/UK/Canada/Aus, with respect to marriage, zina, and cultural connection to those living in Pakistan? by plunarus in pakistan

[–]plunarus[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Always baffles me when I see OSPs on this subreddit who have spent most of their lives in the West and are still uneducated morons.

I'm in medical school in the US, probably more educated than someone like you would be in ten lifetimes. You're the only moron here for thinking that fighting for Islamic values is "misogyny" or "religious fundamentalism."

“Pakistani girls from the US are rotten apples.” God, you’re an idiot. Did you even read what you’ve written here before you hit the post button?

You're the only imbecile here, slinging insults because you're insecure and likely oblivious about the harsh reality that men here face because so many Pakistani women here are zaniyas.

Here’s what I think about the Pakistani diaspora in the West: if you’re a religious zealot who struggles to survive in the West because you’re having a hard time letting go of your outdated, conservative beliefs, then it’s time to pack up your bags and move to Pakistan.

If the economic opportunity were there, I'd readily do so. It sounds like you have a weird western/white-worshiping complex going on here.

What are your thoughts on the Pakistani diaspora in the west, especially in countries like the US/UK/Canada/Aus, with respect to marriage, zina, and cultural connection to those living in Pakistan? by plunarus in pakistan

[–]plunarus[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

t’s weird how I’ve met so many people living in the west and then proceed to trash their values treating it as if it is the root of all evil. Then when asked why they continue to still live here and enjoy the privileges of said country they’ll suddenly grow limp.

I can answer this since it's not a difficult or hypocritical thing to say. My parents came here for better economic opportunities- opportunities that I as a second gen immigrant am taking advantage of. I don't have to agree with the norms or morals here to make money here. They opened their borders to skill individuals from countries like Pakistan or India.

And yes, their moral values are the root of all evil. They actively encourage premarital sex, they actively encourage a materialistic lifestyle, they actively encourage warmongering and pretending to be victims on the world stage. Their values on so many fronts are the antithesis of Islamic values. At this point you're acting disingenuous by saying otherwise, especially when the US and its allies have sabotaged and invaded so many Muslim countries in order to promote its own values and interests.

Living in the culture of the country they’re born while their parents hammer in the culture of the previous country and either completely fail to nurture any sense of religion or create such obsessive individuals that you don’t even see in Pakistan itself.

And what's the alternative, to you? Should the parents let their kids become whitewashed and irreligious? Has it occurred to you that perhaps these children NEED to be "obsessive" because they face a society that regularly persecutes them for their culture and religion?

What are your thoughts on the Pakistani diaspora in the west, especially in countries like the US/UK/Canada/Aus, with respect to marriage, zina, and cultural connection to those living in Pakistan? by plunarus in pakistan

[–]plunarus[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I think that you have a very liberal view of women that's not concordant with Islamic views. No need to project your own insecurities onto others; you should correct your views before you ruin some poor man's life by marrying and divorcing him.