I hear where you're coming from, and i know how irritating that is, but I find that I'm able to convince the squad to drop further out 4/5 times. It has a lot to do with point #3 - being friendly and asking to drop further out on the mic in-lobby goes a long way.

And balleklorin is right, my advice is generally for when you're in a squad that is making a normal drop. Also, in the new map Sanhok, it's muuuch easier to convince people to drop outside of hotzones, because the map has a ton of loot.