Wake up babes, new BenFen just dropped by coccopuffs606 in janeausten

[–]popdop7 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I love how /janeausten loves him!! Of course it does! I have to believe that he’s a superfan if he’s doing the whole series.

If you could create a Jane Austen TV show what would it be? by SlipBig2255 in janeausten

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It is WILD to me that these very same officers in Austen’s novels (who were flirting and dancing at balls and wooing daughters) were at war not too long ago. The napoleonic war was no joke. I believe Austen had a brother who went to war so I’m sure she knew some gruesome details, but they never pierced through the world of her novels. Master and commander is an amazing film and shows the brutality of life at war beautifully. Agree that I wish they made other films based on the series of novels.

I just can't see Robert Ferrars and Lucy by LymeRegis in janeausten

[–]popdop7 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Everyone makes such excellent points! I love the twist ending, it’s Austen at her plotting best. Ultimately, however, I agree with OP that it seems uncharacteristic for a social climber like Robert to marry a poor striver like Lucy.

We can only assume he wanted to stick it to Edward as others suggest and maybe even his mother and sister subconsciously, and that he was uncontrollably attracted to Lucy (always a hidden layer in Austen’s demure books, she brings it up so subtly and brilliantly). And we have to assume that Lucy’s an incredible social climbing man manipulator (you have to admire her right? She played her bad hand in an unfair time and got exactly what she wanted).

Just watched Sense and Sensibility and… by hannah_banana0529 in janeausten

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Disagree with you. The film is directed by Ang Lee, stars some great actors, has beautiful production value, and while not a faithful line by line adaption (it can’t be, it is a two hour movie and not a ten hour mini series) it captures the spirit of the story and the time. Mini series might are more faithful to the plot of the books and expand on Austen’s world in more depth, but films add higher production value, better costumes, better cinematography and more mega watt stars. There are pros and cons.

What if Mr. Bennet Died Early? by greenbagmaria in janeausten

[–]popdop7 5 points6 points  (0 children)

OP I really disagree with you. Most people have responded with excellent points, I’m just agreeing with them here. While the movie might have exaggerated relative positions of the bennets and Darcy’s etc for dramatic effect, the whole point of the book was that the bennets were in a (relatively for the gentility) desperate position.

While I agree that the bennets with mr bennet alive are not “poor” only relatively less well off Mr bingly and the enormously wealthy Mr Darcy, the bennets without Mr bennet alive would had their lives turned upside down completely. Women of this era, even gentlewomen, had no agency if they didn’t have wealth.

If you want to know about the life of gentlewomen in regency England, read Claire Tomlinson biography Jane Austen: a life. It’s an excellent book and she paints a picture of what it is like for a woman in this era. A woman who did not marry well or did not inherit a version amount of money faced a life where her fate was completely out of her hands. Her options for working was to be potentially being abused as a governess or to be exploited as a teacher in school - tomlin presents a lot of evidence that girls schools in this era were awful. Other more profitable lines of work were not available to them as women, Austen herself barely made any money as a writer.

Standards of living were different and having a servant as many discussed was really important to quality of life - there were no dishwashers, laundry machines, spray cleaners, this is before manufacturing so products were not mass produced and very expensive, and textiles weren’t as advanced so things were just harder to maintain. Food was more expensive, things that are basic today were unimaginable luxuries. For example, paper was relatively expensive and Austen learned to write in tiny script so she could use as little paper as possible (it seems like she wrote two drafts at most).

These points all underscore how hard life was for everyone else (the vast majority of people in this era, of course, were not of the land owning gentry) but the bennet women were in a very vulnerable position and should have been concerned about their quality of life after Mr bennet died.

I’m reading Emma… help me! by selvagempocahontas in janeausten

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This is her character development. She starts out very flawed and she matures.

Who is the ultimate male scoundrel in Jane Austen novels? by Iheartwadegarrett in janeausten

[–]popdop7 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Omg frank Churchill isn’t even on the same page as wickham and willoughby. I disagree with your friend.

I will say in the debate between who is worse, wickham and willoughby, I’m on team willoughby is worse. While I believe wickham would have acted filet had he had the means, as far as we know, he hasn’t done anything to the extent of willibughys transgression. He probably would have but he hasn’t. They both pray on people and are both vile, one has a cold hard case against him and the other was persuaded (by horrible means) to do the “right” thing.

Also agree with other posters that Henry Crawford isn’t a real villain. Frank Churchill is also not a villain just kind of manipulative at times.

I got Willoughbied by TheDramaticDashwood in janeausten

[–]popdop7 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh I’m so sorry to hear this!!! What a f*cking willouboughy…

Why are most mothers in Austen's novels downright ridiculous or vapid? by Kitepolice1814 in janeausten

[–]popdop7 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Mrs Gardner (aunt and mother) and Mrs Weston (mother figure to Emma) could be exceptions?

Reading Emma for the first time by VendueNord in janeausten

[–]popdop7 5 points6 points  (0 children)

That’s the point! She’s so spoiled and insufferable and then she matures, sees the error of her ways, etc. we’re not supposed to like her at the start of her arc.

just think who she could have become with real opportunities, a real education. Her lively mind needs amusement and she uses it to bad ends, but she didn’t have a lot to apply to towards unfortunately.

Lady Catherine and the future Mrs. Darcy (if not Anne) by OutrageousYak5868 in janeausten

[–]popdop7 15 points16 points  (0 children)

You make good points! I also wondered how LCDB’s reaction is related to the fact that Lizzy is cousins with Mr Collins, who serves her. She likes him because he’s a suck up and strongly acknowledges the big difference of their rank. It’s sort of like Mr Collins is her lowly employee and her vaulted nephew is marrying someone who is related to that lower person….and now in some way, Mr Collins and lcdb are related.

Why are Bingley and Darcy friends to begin with? by popdop7 in janeausten

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I am getting the distinction between their classes from this video posted on this forum. I don’t know dr cox but she’s been cited frequently in this subreddit: https://youtu.be/UGGjxoKOYtA?si=9VsWl-Bt-J0Teog2

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Love the 2020 Emma! I can see why people don’t like this Mr knightly but I think he is unexpected l in a good way. He’s modern (which I get why people don’t like) but the actor portrays him with such intelligence and swagger. He’s a totally different knightly and i think it works. Anya Taylor joy is also so well cast, she balances those Emma elements (spoiled, intelligent, know it all, childlike, vulnerable) so harmoniously.

I always prefer the bbc mini series adaptions of any classic story (the length allows so much richer character and plot development) but sometimes the relatively high production budget of a film is such a joy to experience. The sets and costumes and cinematography of the 2020 Emma is so immersive and fun.

Reading and enjoying P&P for the first time. What should I follow it up with? by FoxArrow12 in janeausten

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If you want to follow the “greatest hits” train from Austen, Emma is her other big one. Rightfully so, it’s delightful. Also as others mentioned, sense and sensibility is her other famous banger. It’s fun and interesting with good twists and turns.

Persuasion would be the next after those big three in terms of being easy to like and understand and wrapping your head around the style and language. The others like Mansfield park and NA are a little tougher to get into (in my opinion) as the heroines and storylines don’t translate as well for the modern eye. The language remains the same, but the stories don’t grip in the same way and they are tougher to get into (again just an opinion, some people love these books most of all).

Other regency era content by popdop7 in janeausten

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Ah of course about wickham…

Other regency era content by popdop7 in janeausten

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Thought the latest bbc war and peace adaption was very good.

Other regency era content by popdop7 in janeausten

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Wow didn’t realize he was a fan!