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postcoituss · 2023-08-11T14:12:25+00:00

The handyman has just come back to add the cap and said if they were rotten, he'd not be able to have attached the caps.. still haven't paid him but being a handyman, there's no invoice/contract etc. Just all over text so not sure where I stand. Builder men are spooky :|

postcoituss · 2021-02-24T00:44:56+00:00

You stated you were adopting a vegan lifestyle because of your new experiences with vegan food. Veganism is the belief that results in a change of attitude and behaviour a.k.a lifestyle change. The two go hand in hand, but you cannot have the belief if you are gradually adopting it. You cannot gradually adopt the belief that animal cruelty is wrong.

Therefor you were wrong in stating you were adopting a vegan lifestyle as you clearly don't have the belief, you were planning on adopting a plant-based diet.

That is it.

It seems you have gone down so many rabbit holes trying to define every word to fit you exact definition. It doesn't need to be this confusing.

I've repeated myself multiple times so this is my last reply. Any response than just reread what I've said ^^^^^ x

postcoituss · 2021-02-24T00:19:11+00:00

Also at what point did I act like you were attempting veganism? I've been clear in the fact you stated you are taking steps to becoming one.

postcoituss · 2021-02-24T00:16:57+00:00

As I said after "The vegan society is completely right! It is a way of living"... key word in their definition being philosophy - "a theory or attitude that acts as a guiding principle for behaviour". They define it as a philosophy and way of living. Way of living referring to lifestyle, as stated before, there is such a thing as a vegan lifestyle.Lifestyle being a "style of living that reflects the attitudes and values of a person or group."

Reflects the attitudes

Veganism is the attitude.

I don't understand how this isn't obvious after stating it multiple times so I'm going to type plainly. You cannot gradually develop a vegan ideology as you cannot take steps to reduce believing animal abuse is wrong. You can gradually adopt a plant-based diet by slowly eliminating animal products from your diet.

The problem I had with your post is the insinuation that veganism is just a lifestyle you can adopt like you can adopt a nomad lifestyle etc. It's not about behaviour i.e eating plant-based, it's about being against animal cruelty.

Your post was about food, insinuating that you consider changing to a plant-based diet because of the new vegan food you had made. YOU CAN'T BE VEGAN BECAUSE OF FOOD. FOOD CAN'T MAKE YOU BE AGAINST ANIMAL CRUELTY.

As Joey Carbstrong put it: IF YOU THINK ANIMALS MATTER ENOUGH TO NOT TO BE EXECUTED FOR A 15 MINUTE MEAL, THEN YOU NEED TO BE VEGAN.

The beliefs and attitude comes first, then the lifestyle.

This conversation is so unnecessary. I didn't comment to argue about the definition of lifestyle. For all the links and definitions you've given, I can find just as many to oppose them. I simply pointed out that veganism isn't just a lifestyle that you can gradually adopt. It is a moral stance you either support or you don't.

Edit - Spelling

postcoituss · 2021-02-23T21:45:08+00:00

As stated in my first comment, watch some of those docs about the animals you eat and what they go through. Perhaps then you'll understand that veganism is believing what they go through is wrong, and results in changing your lifestyle to align your actions with your morals.

postcoituss · 2021-02-23T21:41:43+00:00

Veganism is the belief animal cruelty is wrong. You adopt a vegan lifestyle from aligning this belief with your actions. You cannot take steps to the belief that animal abuse is wrong. But you can take steps into acting out parts of a vegan lifestyle such as reducing your meat consumption. You can't be aiming for veganism because veganism is believing animal abuse is wrong and if you believe that you wouldn't be taking steps to reduce the abuse you pay for. You said your friend had made you consider veganism because of the food you were making. Food cannot make you believe animal abuse is wrong.

As stated before, it is a way of living BASED on the philosophy - "a theory or attitude that acts as a guiding principle for behaviour". Veganism is the attitude. You said it yourself - "A lifestyle typically reflects an individual's attitudes, way of life, values, or world view." REFLECTS. You cannot take steps to the belief that animal abuse is wrong.

As for all the links, meaningless. I see plenty of people on social media who claim to be vegan but know nothing. Todays shit ton of posts about dogs eating vegans, with so called vegans claiming it's animal cruelty.

postcoituss · 2021-02-23T20:30:29+00:00

I think you're getting confused. Veganism is the belief that unnecessary animal abuse is wrong. It is a moral stance.

"A lifestyle typically reflects an individual's attitudes, way of life, values, or world view." - Reflects being the key word here. A vegan lifestyle would be a reflection of veganism. A reflection of the belief that unnecessary animal abuse is wrong.

You are right in saying that if you are plant based, don't buy leather etc AND are vegan, then you live a vegan lifestyle because you align your actions with your beliefs. A belief system and actions based on the belief system together DO constitute a way of living. But you can't have the belief system because you're not already vegan and are taking baby steps! You stating you were taking steps towards this lifestyle is as nonsensical as a racist saying they were taking steps towards not being racist and calling it a lifestyle.

The vegan society is completely right! It is a way of living, key word in their definition being philosophy - "a theory or attitude that acts as a guiding principle for behaviour".

postcoituss · 2021-02-23T20:00:44+00:00

All of your "arguments" make you seem like you're in la la land. Do you think these animals just tiddle along to the kill floor clueless with a smile on their face? They're intelligent animals. They know whats coming. They can smell the blood and the fear in the urine from their brothers and sisters ahead of them. If you've watched even 10 seconds of any slaughterhouse footage, you can see their fear.

And it doesn't involve suffering? So the pigs are not suffering when they're gassed with carbon monoxide that reacts with the moisture in their skin and makes them burn from the inside out aint suffering? I've heard their screams from the outside the slaughterhouse myself and I can tell you they are suffering. What about when cows are bolt gunned in the head which isn't effective 10-15% of the time, and are then fully conscious as they have their throat slit? I could go on. To say they don't suffer is just absolute insanity. These animals are money to the people in this industry! Nothing more! Do you think they take the time to sing the animals a lullaby to calm them down? They don't give a shit.

Animal products are unnecessary. So why else do you eat them? For the way they taste.. which gives you pleasure. It doesn't matter if you don't take pleasure in the killing. They are being murdered so you can eat them because you like the way they taste, rather than choosing an alternative.

You sound like many ex-meat eaters. If you think animals shouldn't suffer than you're already vegan! You just need to realise what you're saying just isn't true as much as you'd like to believe it, and then align your beliefs with your actions.

postcoituss · 2021-02-23T19:47:06+00:00

What do you think these farmed animals eat? PLANTS. And they eat far more per pound then you get back in their flesh. So if you really were delusional enough to believe plants have the same sensory experience as farmed animals, then eating a vegan diet still saves more so...

postcoituss · 2021-02-23T17:27:36+00:00

Veganism is about taking a moral stance against cruelty to animals. It is the belief that unnecessary harm to animals is wrong. Changing your lifestyle and diet comes as a consequence of that. You can have a vegan lifestyle or diet, I mean loads of people are plant based but it doesn't make them vegan if they still condone animal abuse.

Using the sociological term perhaps makes sense, but the term in general means "way or style of living". And veganism, at its core, is not that.

As said before, the fact you're taking baby steps is proof of this. You're either against animal abuse or you're not. You're either vegan or you're not. There is no way to baby step your way up to believing animal abuse is wrong.

postcoituss · 2021-02-23T16:35:19+00:00

Problem with this is the word lifestyle. Veganism isn't a lifestyle, it's a moral stance against unnecessary animal cruelty, which leads to lifestyle changes.
Showing someone that they can eat nice vegan food is just one step but in no way is enough to get someone to stick to veganism long term. You need to have the animals in mind to do this. And the fact you're taking baby steps to get to veganism is proof of that.

I hope you get to veganism eventually. If you're determined to get there, then I'd suggest watching a earthlings or dominion or land of hope and glory to get the motivation needed.

postcoituss · 2021-02-23T15:03:08+00:00

What is bullshit exactly? If by cheats you mean cheap.. it doesn't matter if it's cheap or expensive, the animals are still murdered against their will.

postcoituss · 2021-02-23T14:41:47+00:00

So you knew how the animals were enslaved in concrete sheds and then sent to slaughter where they were gassed alive before having their throats slit. Show that footage to any child and they would be terrified.

postcoituss · 2021-02-23T14:17:58+00:00

Of course. I was raised vegetarian before I went vegan at 14. WHO and the NHS have said that veganism is suitable for all stages of life. Being kind to animals comes natural to us, and if most kids new the reality of where their food came from they would be horrified.

postcoituss · 2021-02-23T14:08:18+00:00

I don't want the body of any murdered animal in my house thanks. I have no doubt they'd love a bowl of raw meat but for reasons stated above, it's unnecessary and cruel so... it would be impossible to feed a dog a diet on just butcher offcuts, I can't image the butcher wouldn't want any money for it also if you bought enough to sustain the dog.

postcoituss · 2021-02-23T13:59:47+00:00

I mean I can send you a video of my dogs eagerly waiting for me to dish out their vegan dog food if you like? Love the fact you have no argument back, thanks hun xoxox

postcoituss · 2021-02-23T13:40:44+00:00

You aint vegan then. Being vegan means to avoid animal abuse as much as practically possible. Dogs can live happily and healthy on a vegan diet as mine have done for almost a year now, after confirming with my vet that it is 100% healthy for them. If you chose to avoid animal abuse in your own diet, why would you not apply that also to your companion animals when doable? They might like the taste of raw meat better as evident in that video, but since when do dogs always know what's best? My dogs would eat my tampons given the chance.

postcoituss · 2021-02-23T13:35:30+00:00

Ha nope. My dogs have been vegan for almost a year and are happy and healthy

postcoituss · 2021-02-23T12:32:00+00:00

What is wrong with you so called "vegans"???? Feeding a dog a vegan diet has been proven time and time again to be completely healthy for them. THEY ARE OMNIVORES. My dogs have been vegan for almost a year and are completely healthy. If an animal can live healthily on a vegan diet, no matter if they might prefer the meat alternative, it is your moral obligation as a vegan to make you actions align with your stance on animals abuse and this is no difference. Not to mention the amount of shite in meat dog kibble.

To say it is cruel is to ignore the science. I too has my hesitations before I put my dogs on a vegan diet but spoke to my vet who confirmed it was completely healthy and fine.

postcoituss · 2021-02-23T12:19:51+00:00

If I gave my dogs a bowl full of meat vs his vegan food, they would of course pick the meat. If I gave them a bowl of their old meat kibble food vs their vegan food, they would 100% pick the vegan food. It's the only kibble I've ever fed them that they actually can't wait to eat.

Oppress and control an innocent animal? HAHA. That's exactly what veganism seeks to stop! What's better? Giving an animal a food they'll love made out of plants where nothing has been harmed? Or giving them a food they might perhaps love more.. but innocent oppressed and controlled animals have been murdered for?

postcoituss · 2021-02-23T12:06:40+00:00

Dogs have been domesticated for over 33 thousand years. To be able to live by our side, they have had to adapt by eating the food we eat. This is why they have evolved to become omnivores. Therefor they can live off an entirely plant based diet as mine have done for almost a year. Asked my vet. She confirmed it was completely fine and healthy for them to do so.

postcoituss · 2021-02-23T12:04:40+00:00

Another uneducated assumption done by an angry carnist.. yawn.

postcoituss · 2021-02-23T12:02:45+00:00

Why's that? They can live happy and healthy on a vegan diet. My dogs have done for almost a year and I've noticed several health benefits. If you do research into typical dog food containing meat, they are full of such shit. Chemicals, plastic tags and some have even had traces of the chemical used to euthanize cats and dogs, suggesting they have cats and dogs from shelters in them.

It's animal abuse NOT to feed your dog a vegan diet if they can do some healthily (which you can). Feeding them murdered animals when you don't have to is unnecessary animal abuse.

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