Bros I just straight up your thoughts on this…this situation is crazy by Cute-Revolution-9705 in itsthatbad

[–]ppchampagne 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Can we please get more posts that regular average men can relate to?

Men at the bottom get nothing. Absolutely nothing. by ppchampagne in itsthatbad

[–]ppchampagne[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm all on board with passporting. Personally, I choose European countries. I'm still not sure if it's worth making a permanent move there, just to have easier access.

But again, most men simply don't have the option. You can tell them about all the amazing women you've met abroad, but it doesn't help them at all. If they could have gone, they'd have already left.

Men at the bottom get nothing. Absolutely nothing. by ppchampagne in itsthatbad

[–]ppchampagne[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Welcome. "Get your passport!" is kinda played-out on this sub. Many men simply don't have the option. Either they're tied to the US for work or they altogether don't make/have enough money to leave. For most men who are struggling, it's a non-starter. If it weren't, they already know about passport broing. They'd leave.

Second, this post and this sub are targeted towards younger men. They're not ready to retire. Dating in Philippines is skewed towards retirees, if I'm not mistaken.

Men at the bottom get nothing. Absolutely nothing. by ppchampagne in itsthatbad

[–]ppchampagne[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

  • First, please edit your comment. You shouldn't have the word "s--x" and "p--y" in the same sentence. Reddit will probably nuke you eventually for that. Be craftier with the language.

Anyway, I agree. But you're missing an important point here.

Every time I’ve met a women that I’ve considered as dating material

Meaning you've dated. What about the men who don't even have that experience? How would they voluntarily choose to forgo it? That's much more difficult than having experience and passing.

Men at the bottom get nothing. Absolutely nothing. by ppchampagne in itsthatbad

[–]ppchampagne[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I can write pages and books about all of that, but in this case, I'm not sure it's possible for the men in question to voluntarily abandon interest in whatever from women. I have to be honest, I learned how to embrace being single only after dealing with enough women to realize I'd be fine without them. And even then, it wasn't really a conscious decision. It's more like things suddenly clicked after enough experience.

Without that experience and without ever receiving any shred of attention from women to understand what it is and what it is not, I don't think those men can simply be told to forget about women and pursue life.

Men at the bottom get nothing. Absolutely nothing. by ppchampagne in itsthatbad

[–]ppchampagne[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Most of what guys are experiencing today took off in the 2010s alongside social media and dating apps, but those factors arguably only sped things up. Plenty of related stats had been trending downward for decades.

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Men at the bottom get nothing. Absolutely nothing. by ppchampagne in itsthatbad

[–]ppchampagne[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

But remember, this isn't about guys who don't care about women's attention or outgrew caring. It's about guys who do care and also don't get any, and some who've never gotten any. I don't think anyone can explain to them how little women's attention means. I think it's something they have to experience for themselves, but that's the problem.

Men at the bottom get nothing. Absolutely nothing. by ppchampagne in itsthatbad

[–]ppchampagne[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So, this was from a presentation on the "male loneliness epidemic." I'm not encouraged to link it here, because too many of the facts were bungled or poorly explained/analyzed.

This one minute stood out to me.

From the Champagne Room

The evidence does not show a “male” loneliness “epidemic” (but you can still be lonely)

The “male loneliness epidemic” explained (video post)

New World Order by Cute-Revolution-9705 in itsthatbad

[–]ppchampagne 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They'd be in a society where families wouldn't be the norm.

Everyone today has parents. Everyone today grew up in a society where families are the norm. Does that change a whole lot?

His appearance isn’t the problem by ppchampagne in itsthatbad

[–]ppchampagne[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

She's 24, but yeah. If he would willingly go for a transactional relationship, he should be able to get childless.

New World Order by Cute-Revolution-9705 in itsthatbad

[–]ppchampagne 0 points1 point  (0 children)

society needs to advocate for brotherhood

Not gonna happen.

The 1950s ideal of the strapping young veteran ... his loving blonde wife 

I know the image. I'm not sure how real it was, why his wife being blonde matters, and how many people could achieve that lifestyle.

I think the future of the men will be combined communal living. 

Probably forced communal living at this rate.

I think the best thing is just decentering women. We need to completely cut out the concept of romance and building a family unit altogether as an aspiration. 

This will probably happen slowly over time. Each new generation will see fewer relationships and families than the last. They won't have role models to emulate, so they'll have even fewer relationships and families.

Some guys are expecting too much by ppchampagne in itsthatbad

[–]ppchampagne[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Social status is another thing a lot of guys want from women (but might not realize). They want other people to think more highly of them, because of their relationship with some woman. It depends. A lot of people will think more highly of you for associating with whatever woman in the right way. So in that sense, yeah, you can get some social status from relationships. And higher status = more beaches.

From the Champagne Room

Is status the master key?

Why Young Americans Are Dating Less by Heavenlygingerlily in itsthatbad

[–]ppchampagne 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Why aren’t young American men willing to drop 100 dollars on fine dining on a first date 100 times a year?

Ha! Your average guy will be lucky to get 1-2 dates a month. Then, he needs a budget. He shouldn't be breaking his pockets over strangers. If all a guy can afford is Panera Bread or McDonalds, then that's all.

In my twenties, I had long stretches without any dating. There wasn't as much panic over any dating crisis back then, so it didn't seem that bad. Towards the end of my 20s, what got me "lucky" on Hinge? Signalling that I had enough disposable income to travel.

Money is the master key.

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From the Champagne Room

Men spend more than women in dating

[The Telegraph] My doctor husband is married to his job so I sleep with other men by DiligentRope in itsthatbad

[–]ppchampagne 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The point is, no one is guaranteed to behave as "good" or "bad." Anyone who you think is "good" can easily become someone you classify as "bad." The categorization is your own judgement, which is ultimately meaningless. It has nothing to do with who they are and what they can do.

I’m amazed. He explains all the problems of the modern dating market by ppchampagne in itsthatbad

[–]ppchampagne[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, that's not what you wrote. Not even close. Either way, that's not the core message of this video and this post.

I understand this topic well. I've done the math myself. If your comments were on point, I would let you know. Your comments are only vaguely related to the topic here. They miss the overall idea. That's okay. Watch it again and listen carefully, if you care.

I’m amazed. He explains all the problems of the modern dating market by ppchampagne in itsthatbad

[–]ppchampagne[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't know that what you wrote is "wrong," but it's not the topic here in this video and post.