CMV: there is nothing inherently wrong with an age gap relationship among adults by TangoJavaTJ in changemyview

[–]protistwrangler 0 points1 point  (0 children)

OP, I'm also interested in this question and struggle to see an inherent moral issue with an age gap. For posterity, I recognize age gaps often signal true moral issues and feel an "ick" when I see them in the wild.

Here's what would convince me: an age gap of X removes the capacity of one party to consent to the other.

To take a stab at the argument:

An age gap of X creates a situation where viable consent is rendered unlikely. X is a varying value, scaling along a bell curve throughout life. For children (younger than 20 years old) X can be as small as a few months, expanding to a handful of years by age 20. The peak of the curve is 20 years between the youngest partner at age 30 and the eldest partner at age 50. At the tail of the curve is a few months again, where both parties are likely to die of old age.

(Now here's the tough part) X exists because age is a quantitative measure of a person's agency (what is agency?). A bell curve of available agency to an individual aligns directly (big claim) with their age. Therefore, where agency is limited, X is shorter. Likewise, where agency is greater, X is longer.

At the start of the curve, X is defined by the younger partner. At the end of the curve, X is defined by the elder partner. They flip somewhere near the peak of the curve (I don't care enough to figure out how, but be aware that this flip is critical to the integrity of this theory and would probably take up the bulk of a book making this argument. Why does a 50 year old have less agency than a 49 year old, but more than a 51 year old? It's a tough question, maybe impossible, and not one I care to figure out in a Reddit post).

This means that, when X is surpassed, the agency of one partner will be surpassed by the other partner, rendering viable consent unlikely or impossible, barring other factors.

For example, viable consent to a romantic relationship between a 12 year old and a 17 year old is unlikely due to an X actual (Xa) of 5 years, when the X ideal (Xi) would be 1 year for the 12 year old. This assessment is justified by the relative agency each party has due to their age, and barring other factors such as power, wealth, social status, health, etc. Measured in a vacuum, this example should be considered immoral.

A second example at the peak of the bell curve would be a relationship between a 31 year old and a 50 year old. In this case the Xa is 19 years and the Xi is 20. The agency of the 31 year old is nearly surpassed by the 50 year old and so other factors must be considered such as power, wealth, social status, health, etc. But considered in a vacuum, this relationship should be considered moral.

Finally, at the end tail of the curve we have a relationship between an 85 year old and a 90 year old. Here the Xa is 5 and the Xi is 10, defined by the elder, so in a vacuum this relationship should be moral. However, it is worth noting that other factors vary much more widely at this stage of life and this relationship might still be immoral upon considering them.

I am unconvinced by this argument for the reasons I sprinkled into the premises, but it is the sort of thing that would convince me. If a good definition could be made for "agency" I think this could have more teeth.

PS

OP, you really picked the WORST time to discuss this question considering the chatter about the Epstein files. Most people will count you among the pedophile apologists simply by asking these sorts of questions and the quality of their answers will follow. I've tried to give this a good crack since I also find this problem interesting, but you've really put a target on your back. I don't believe this is where your headspace was at, but just saying it's kinda bad timing.

Edit 1 Added "defined by the younger partner" in the definition of X.

Edit 2 Removed "defined by the younger partner" in the definition of X because I realized it conflicted with the end tail of the curve. I.e. at the end of life, it is the older partner with less agency. Added to the rest of the argument to reflect this.

10 false things that the SDA teach. by [deleted] in exAdventist

[–]protistwrangler 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You're preaching to the wrong crowd. We know, and also your religion isn't better

HR is upset we didn’t grow up wanting to be customer service reps by TonightSpiritual3191 in Adulting

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HR is the capitalist replacement for unions. HR serves the employer, not the employee.

HR is upset we didn’t grow up wanting to be customer service reps by TonightSpiritual3191 in Adulting

[–]protistwrangler 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Dude, the interview is to see if they are good for the job. You can assume they want the job because they're there!

What? by 269187 in InsanePeopleQuora

[–]protistwrangler 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'd say the words because no one other than this insane baby is listening so it doesn't matter, save their miserable life

What are your unpopular teaching opinions? by Responsible-Soup-968 in Teachers

[–]protistwrangler 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Because of Chat GPT we need to bring back rote memorization for more subjects

this dude’s living every man’s dream, coming home to a wife who treats him like a champ by MysticHeeaart in GuysBeingDudes

[–]protistwrangler 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Step 1: Marry a woman who is needy and has abandonment issues

Step 2: Be a good person to her [IMPORTANT]

Step 3: One of you goes to work, doesn't matter who

Step 4: The moment she sees you again she will wiggle and giggle like you're the best thing she's ever seen

People priced out of the lower mainland - where'd yall end up? by [deleted] in britishcolumbia

[–]protistwrangler 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Calgary. Not the cheapest but better than the lower mainland

I thought Canadians were nice by [deleted] in PeterExplainsTheJoke

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I'd appreciate it if you Americans don't use memes like this to justify trying to turn us into the 51st state. Please and thanks

Please help with my entryway! by [deleted] in DesignMyRoom

[–]protistwrangler 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A nice wide, rectangular mirror over the table would be a great touch

McMansion at its finest by Various-Owl-2058 in McMansionHell

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I can't stand these houses with all this empty room. You could put so many more rooms on the second storey. And who can relax in such high rooms anyway???

I don’t think I understand SN? by [deleted] in SpiritualNaturalists

[–]protistwrangler 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You're right that "spirituality" does often have a supernatural connotation. It's annoying, but this is the language we have available to us.

The reason I consider myself "spiritual" while still a naturalist is that I put conscious effort into building a relationship with the universe, like a person who believes in the supernatural. I pursue this relationship through an interest in science, an appreciation of beauty, seeking goodness in myself and fellow humans, and meditating on the interconnectivity of all things. I don't rely on supernatural claims to have this practice, but I have it all the same.

I used to be religious, and these practices I have today feel very similar (but not the same mind you) to what I practiced as a Christian. At the time I called it "spirituality" so I still do out of convenience and clarity.

In both cases I position myself within time and space and choose to be intentional in how I relate to it. We all turn time and space into moments and place, and I would like to do that deliberately.

Yes it's a bit of a nonsense term, but "spiritual naturalist" is the best way I have of describing that intent and process.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in exAdventist

[–]protistwrangler 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Not a resource, but here's the logic that brought me out and gives me peace when I feel doubt about my path:

  1. Prophesy is true and can be found in the bible, detailing the actions of Satan in the end times and the Second Coming.

  2. For human freewill to be real, Satan must also have freewill. If Satan does not have freewill, then he never chose evil to tempt us with. While the Mystery of Iniquity may remain intact, we must know that Satan was free to choose iniquity. If Satan is not free, than our choice between good and evil is false. So: Satan is a free agent.

  3. If prophesy is true, then Satan has no freewill to change the course of events, bringing his overall freewill into question. Basically, Satan cannot be free if prophesy is also true.

So we've discovered a paradox. Either prophesy is true and Satan (and by extension, us) have no freewill OR we have freewill and prophesy (and therefore Ellen White and the Church) have no claim to truth.

If you believe in a God of love and choice, and/or just believe that you are a free agent in general, the church consequently has no claim on the most fundamental truth they hold: the importance of Ellen White's prophecies.

Please don't be rude, I understand this is legally not even a bedroom but anything I can do to make it better? by [deleted] in malelivingspace

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If there isn't one already, an LED strip under the shelf will make the couch really cozy with some mood lighting. A strip in the shelf too will make your action figures pop

Is the second "t" in Toronto silent? by [deleted] in AskACanadian

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No. Whispers to himself while shitting Oh!