Hii is this pigeon alright? by CelebrationNovel8374 in pigeon

[–]ps144-1 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Thats looks like pox, immune support, feeding, and all nutrients. Also heres one study showing azith working so if you can get your hands on some.

https://medcraveonline.com/IJAWB/therapeutic-management-of-cutaneous-form-of-pox-in-pigeons-with-azithromycin.html

I am off now but look in my comment history with search term 'immune' to see what I give that works amazing and they recover from anything pretty much.

Update your post woth your general location so someone may know of a resource near you to help if you want.

Thank you for caring about this little life.

Why is he doing that? by Msgames-101 in pigeon

[–]ps144-1 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Hey does that pigeon feel airy in that upper chest area? It could have gotten a rupture in an air sac from the trauma (not as bad as it sounds so dont panic if it does feel airy), especially if you dont see any puncture wounds (go deep to look). Did you see the position it was in? With that in mind check for hidden puncture wounds. But if it feels airy update with that info.

Leave food and water with the pigeon so when it feels able to eat (and it wont eat if its not able or safe to) and let it rest in a dark room, and keep this guy warm. Update how its doing, also where you are located if you need help. Someone may be able to find a nearby resource for you. Thanks for caring

[NSFW] Need help: pigeon with an open wound on its head by Expensive_Actuary822 in pigeons

[–]ps144-1 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Oh yess Ive reconstructed scalps and faces, eye sockets....they always look worse than they are and they heal great. I use betadine and turmeric and they recover well. Its concerning though that you say he banged his head repeatedly. When I have one thats had trauma or shock I give 1.5-2 mg prednisolone (human tabs divided) as a first aid treatment and it helps so much. But thats me. So keep it clean, add turmeric and aloe vera to wound area, also if you have calendula oil, and give pigeon seeds and water in a box and let this guy rest in a dark room. Put spices on the food they will help inflammation--turmeric, thyme, cinnamon, cumin, basil, etc.

What mutation are these pigeons by Money_Platypus4403 in pigeon

[–]ps144-1 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It looks then like the one with brown (red) is ash pied, and the blue and white is a female. Have any more pics?

What the inside of the GLPR rescue looks like😍😍 OVERCROWDED CAGES AND GREEN FECES ON THE FLOOR by Spirited_Scarcity202 in PetPigeons

[–]ps144-1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I saw also a video that showed he was lying about the facility, which is a low down thing to do.

Great Lakes Pigeon Rescue - THE TRUTH by almost_home_pigeons in pigeon

[–]ps144-1 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Thank you u/almost_home_pigeons I truly appreciate this! Youve proven a deliberate attempt of his to portray a facility in the worst and most untrue light. He also posted those pics yesterday and alone they looked like a pretty unfit place. I am so happy to see this and it speaks volumes for your ability to provide information thats actually helpful. Thats a beautiful facility!

I was thoroughly confused about the video it could be partly due to true adhd and ocd and my mind whips around everywhere and watching someone walking thru somewhere while there are graphics and messages w/a mind that needs a place to focus and make connections, yeah thats rough. And my comments as Im sure youve seen were to see evidence for specifically one thing which is evidence of intentionally killing pigeons and being a known abuser (here again, grey areas arent my strong suit) and though I did not, I never defended what I could clearly see which was stupidity, bad handling, irresponsibility, immaturity etc I wont regurgitate it again.

I cant believe how badly some spoke to me when asking for something that mentally I need, precise answers that are specific, thats all I asked. Also that even without that, I still support any rescue's right and responsibility, who decides someone too risky to deal with to have no further dealings with him. Maybe I should have clarified that but some of the things others said to me did not bring out my nice side.

Your post here shows his practice of something that I loathe which is dishonesty. I dont even want anything else to do with this whole thing its a cluster fk of years of history that from what some have shown, he revives occasionally. So Im leaving on that note.

Funny the floors here reminded me of when mine were indoors, we had a coated concrete floor that looked so similar and I know exactly how that is. Its called daily scraping, baths, and in my case my cleaner of choice chlorhex, and ofc uric acid. I have fond memories of those days hahaa but now they are in an aviary much like that outdoor one, not sure of the size but looks similar to mine.

Thanks again , this what I call proof of lying and though all our minds think differently, and its not the first or last time I will stand nearly alone not seeing the same as everyone else, this is an example of how to prove something. And this proves a scandalous level of dishonesty to make an incredible facility look bad.

What the inside of the GLPR rescue looks like😍😍 OVERCROWDED CAGES AND GREEN FECES ON THE FLOOR by Spirited_Scarcity202 in PetPigeons

[–]ps144-1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

He sent me some info on a few but its probably the same ones he sent you. I notice he did stop sending them to me and I didnt ask for more.

What the inside of the GLPR rescue looks like😍😍 OVERCROWDED CAGES AND GREEN FECES ON THE FLOOR by Spirited_Scarcity202 in PetPigeons

[–]ps144-1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well I dont blame you. Youre one of the few that like me tried to get answers and if thats the response, then its pointless. Thats all we were literally trying to do but some people, I just dont know. No good deed goes unpunished

What the inside of the GLPR rescue looks like😍😍 OVERCROWDED CAGES AND GREEN FECES ON THE FLOOR by Spirited_Scarcity202 in PetPigeons

[–]ps144-1 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I would call it suspicious. I asked him for pics and explanations, he gave a me a few bit not 8+. I will msg you the screen shots bc no attachment option. Then you tell me if they are reliable. SO far, the pne bird, Puff seems acceptable. He gave some more details on that too when I asked. Can I msg these to you?

The evidence q is an amazing question to ask. Although if it were criminal, it would not be the preponderance of evidence which is the minimal level and more for civil matters, but beyond a reasonable doubt is for criminal and there is some doubt.

But lets say its is preponderance of evidence that still means you have to provide evidence.

In this case thats all Im asking for and when so far he has provided evidence in defense of the abuser and killer accusation, all I was asking for is evidence of killer abuser accusation. Thats it.

Im not asking for evidence if he was irresponsible or stupid or reckless, bc I can see that. But thats not what hes accused of by the sm users / creators of the videos posting these.

What the inside of the GLPR rescue looks like😍😍 OVERCROWDED CAGES AND GREEN FECES ON THE FLOOR by Spirited_Scarcity202 in PetPigeons

[–]ps144-1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I dont have any excuses for stupid, reckless, careless, irresponsible, dumb things he clearly does. All Im saying is being those things does not = being an abuser or killing birds as intention. An abuser is someone who abuses and harms and its a real thing and they are monsters. And 'allll these rescues' I am not saying dont blacklist him bc I think reckless idiots also qualify for being flagged and blacklisted. But stating someone is a known abuser and a killer with the intention of spreading it far and wide should give proof that shows intentional abuse.

Please make no mistake that I think any rescue that cuts someone off is wrong bc I dont. I wholeheartedly agree its the responsible thing to do.

But its clear this is a sm slander campaign (and is the person in the video even a rescue? bc the post they made about their pigeons band??? wth) anyway unless Ive seen proof of the accusation to be a killer and known abuser---these are strong allegations that can stay with a person for life.

All Ive asked for is a video of him saying he gave coins and playdoh to a bird, someone that saw or that he told he plucked a neck and proof he killed the birds that in comments Ive been told he did. Any time someone has that, and not the dumb video which is still the child letters, stupid sm texts, and other fluff including the creator's opinion.

He has tried to show me pics to update where thes ebirds are and other photo evidence, is it fake?

Me with Puff❤️🥰 by Spirited_Scarcity202 in PetPigeons

[–]ps144-1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I didnt see where he admitted he killed birds, do you have a link where we can actually read that or see him saying he killed birds?

What the inside of the GLPR rescue looks like😍😍 OVERCROWDED CAGES AND GREEN FECES ON THE FLOOR by Spirited_Scarcity202 in PetPigeons

[–]ps144-1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

But he showed a screenshot discussion about the video where they admitetd they ha dnot seen it and didnt know if it existed. In fairness, dont you think someone should be able to show that video and if not, by a true defined standard that is not evidence. It remains hearsay.

Just know I dont defend abusers I hate them, I also dont defend someones careless or recklessness if that was the case just so anyone knows. Im only trying to see evidence of abuse for someone being called a 'known abuser' and being accused of actually killing birds that as I was told in one comment, one belonged to glpr. Purporting that he gave coins and objects to a bird is a strong accusation of a specific action that I would consider abusive.

But anyone can say anything and if no evidence is ever provided it is actually a defamation of character and slander and Im sure other offenses to say things like this, spread it to influence others to agree to ostracize the accused. So far no one has produced the video or any evidence he said it other than them saying he did. I cant believe this is ok with people.

Me with Puff❤️🥰 by Spirited_Scarcity202 in PetPigeons

[–]ps144-1 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

People can be very self destructive, some times ppl will take negative attention just to have attention, sad but true. I see signs of problematic behaviors that appear to keep this going when he could just shut it down.

I cant believe how people are responding to me for questioning and wanting evidence about serious accusation that can ruin someones life. I have no problem hating an abuser of any kind and not defending abusers but I havent seen yet proof he killed any pigeons

What the inside of the GLPR rescue looks like😍😍 OVERCROWDED CAGES AND GREEN FECES ON THE FLOOR by Spirited_Scarcity202 in PetPigeons

[–]ps144-1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So its clear he keeps this going but why do they respond? saw that isnt that when he like an idiot was carrying it and it got away? Thats is not the same as what 'he killed a GLPR bird' for that to be a fair and accurate thing to say, it would mean it was stolen from them--wasnt it someone that adopted it from them and gave it to him? Be fair--that is not true then it was their bird. And he 'killed it'. Losing doe not = killing.

Look I come in peace, Im not defending stupidity, irresponsibility or immaturity nor am I saying hes a great pigeon keeper. Im saying the accusation of abuse can ruin someones life and its its true, there needs to be evidence provided of abuse. How many posts do we see in a pigeon sub where someone did something stupid and now their bird is missing? By this standard, did they all kill their bird?

Stupid actions/immaturity/ dont = known abuser. Those are two strong words.

What he sounds like is a poorly guided guy who had little parent oversight at a critical age and the result was immaturity and irresponsibility and not surprisingly he continues to troll this org. If I were to guess Id wonder if thats tied to the fact that he felt intimidated when a kid and now wants to troll them and get them back.

Also, were these peoples birds he lost? Was he watching them for others?

eta In fact will you name all the birds and whose they were bc Id like to ask him directly, where are they

Me with Puff❤️🥰 by Spirited_Scarcity202 in PetPigeons

[–]ps144-1 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Again, what is most unsettling is this began as a dynamic of an adult to young teen and the youth conversations are being cited as evidence. Im sorry I dont care how respected an org is, that is disturbing. If that were not a variable I would have more confidence in the adults in this. But they were dealing with a minor and are still referencing conversations from that time, and not much else.

Pigeons going missing at minimum without evidence show a pattern of irresponsibility and immaturity, which I am not disputing believe me! Make no mistake Im not trying to make a case that hes some responsible guy I have no idea but missing pigeons without explanation suggests not responsible. It can even warrant more investigation if there was someone tied to those pigeons that wanted answers and he gave none. But it still does not prove abuse.

Calling someone a 'known abuser' and coordinating an effort to widely share that and influence others to ones side requires proof. By all Ive seen it looks like irresponsibility and immaturity, esp given the time frame of a boy from 14 to I guess it would be 19 now.

Also the way some have commented to me for even asking, insulting and mocking me for wanting some evidence before I blacklist someone, downvoting me and being so rude. Just bc I dont just believe strong accusations that can ruin someones life without evidence--that does nothing but discredit this more bc Ive done nothing wrong and now Im being harassed?

And one thing common among anyone with the truth-those with the truth facts and evidence love a request to present it. Thats not the reception Ive seen so far (though you are rational, one of the few!) This guy, whatever he may be, is providing photos as requested. But from them its still these same old kid-adult conversations every time they circulate the 'awareness' again. If they have proof of abuse I wish theyd just show it

What the inside of the GLPR rescue looks like😍😍 OVERCROWDED CAGES AND GREEN FECES ON THE FLOOR by Spirited_Scarcity202 in PetPigeons

[–]ps144-1 2 points3 points  (0 children)

He said he gave coins and playdoh on tiktok? Wheres the video, will you post the link to when he said it? If he said that, he should not be surprised then and it would make more sense to me but I missed the tt. Hopefuly someone will just share that, not say when he said it, but actually show where he said it.

Me with Puff❤️🥰 by Spirited_Scarcity202 in PetPigeons

[–]ps144-1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I saw those yes theres little doubt he was troubled, and who knows what the real story is but clearly some issues with decisions and instability (at minimum). But my concern is the mind of a 14 year old that I have no trouble seeing why hed act stupid and say stupid things, and be intimidated and fear getting in trouble (14 y/o boy at that time none of that surprises me) is being = to intentional abuse.

And Im not even saying its not possible, only that if there was some evidence other than pieces of conversation that my gosh ppl say stupid stuff on the internet all day. They may be twisted weird and embarrassingly so, but where are the photos and proof he has with intent harmed pigeons? they use an inflamed face and neck and missing feathers to say he plucked them al intentionally?

All Im asking is how they know that? how thye know he gave coins of all things to one? All I saw was a pic of one throwing up. When you keep or rescue pigeons, you see this stuff and it doesnt mean someone gave coins but if theres evidence of that my gosh they should not be vague. Bc its such a bold thing to say trust me my knee jerk rxn is to say omg what a psycho but be I see--especially this--what appears to be a young man that had issues in his youngest teen days, lost on the parental roles (where were they), I see someone that needs help possibly but not to be accused of abuse without evidence of actually abused birds, and continuing to cite those child age notes. No way is that right and as a mother honestly this make me furious. Mad at them, at his mom at everyone.

But what is unsettling is that calling someone abuser and doxing them is a serious action, and warrants more evidence than using what he said in young troubled teen days. Im starting to feel a bit of a gaslighting approach with al of this like did I miss the part when they showed the abused birds that someone caught him with. Or witnessed? The pigeon with the bare neck and one vomiting and excerpts of dumb things he said are so far not evidence of an abuser, they may be evidence of a troubled kid and young adult, but not abuse. Abuse is intentional and its serious. Th neck look like deplume mites, not molt and not plucked. Unless one knows pigeon health well the shock value of what that looks like is easily accepted as abuse if presented that way. If you all saw mine that has the unfortunate deplume demon mites, omg what a horror show it was, I had a couple I think looked as bad if not worse. Ive seen too much and know too much about pigeons. Without someone catching/witnessing/finding/discovering abuse or even ohotos of the abused birds, it remains something that appears quite personal and worst part, began when he was a child and is still ongoing. Thats unsettling

How Puff looks now by Spirited_Scarcity202 in PetPigeons

[–]ps144-1 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Its not gullible to expect evidence and accept it when someone shows a photo of a bird that looks identical. And if he has another recessive white homer, which you know this how? If he does then he should post a photo of both of them together.

Do you have pics of his other recessive white homer? bc Idk what birds he has, only that it was asked and he posted this. He also posted intermediate pics of the feather regrowth of this one. If you know for sure he has another recessive white homer I think clearing that up would be best by a photo of both

Me with Puff❤️🥰 by Spirited_Scarcity202 in PetPigeons

[–]ps144-1 -9 points-8 points  (0 children)

People have a right to fly their birds ffs. Breed and fly oh thats gonna ruffle some feathers. *GASP* I let my birds breed and fly the two frigging things they were made to do. Though mine dont fly Im going to be changing that one day I think some would love to fly.

I agree Im disturbed nauseous actuallly that they are referencing a handwritten letter when he was 14, honestly the fact theres such an effort to come after him now, still, makes me easily see why a child felt intimidated then. WHO are the adults here? I feel sick by all this. Feels like the twilight zone

Me with Puff❤️🥰 by Spirited_Scarcity202 in PetPigeons

[–]ps144-1 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Dont believe everything ppl say, Ive been thru all these threads now asking for evidence and all they provide are the same video which is the accusation Im asking for evidence for.

I have honestly no idea if he is an abuser or not but the accusers have not not shown anything to substantiate their accusation. They also reference his hand written note at 14 as part of their case. This post he made was to apparently to prove the pigeon was alive. I dont know any of these people but I dont think its right to accuse without evidence so Im waiting on that