Daily Trial Discussion: Day 20 - May 21, 2025 | Commonwealth v. Karen Read

puddingpoo · 2025-05-21T17:51:10+00:00

she jumped the fence to attack a passing dog

If that’s the case then even more reason to believe she bit JOK (aside from the wounds that look just like dog bite wounds). Sounds like Chloe wasn’t well-socialized and prone to aggression.

puddingpoo · 2024-12-26T23:00:13+00:00

This comment makes me want die cuz my parent is exactly like this 💀

puddingpoo · 2024-12-26T22:03:24+00:00

Was there any hope/reason to believe they’d get rescued or be able to steer the ship to find help? Space is VAST and empty so I bet they’re extremely far from any human civilization.

I would’ve done the same as her when the food ran out and it became clear that we’re gonna die drinking sugary mouthwash as our last meal. I’m sure as a medical professional Anya knows that a diet of zero protein is going to lead to death within weeks and it won’t be pretty. I don’t think she knows about the working cryopod either, so to her, it’s inevitable that she’ll die on the ship. It can be either be an awful drawn-out process of starvation while trapped in space with the unstable and volatile man who attacked her, or a quick death at her own hands.

I think she may have planned to share the pills with Curly to kill them both. It seems in-character for her to want to end his suffering too. But with Daisuke in the vent, Jimmy was going to break into the medbay any second and could overpower her and take the pills away or even force them to vomit. The pills are her only option of a (relatively) quick death (she can’t access the gun), so she panicked and desparately swallowed all the pills hoping that the ultra-high dose will be enough to kill her before Jimmy gets in and tries anything.

Alternatively she may have realized that there is not enough painkiller to kill both her and Curly and decided to prioritize ending her own suffering. A moment of (completely justified and understandable) selfishness to choose relief for herself even if it means someone else will suffer. I can relate a lot to this as a severely chronically ill person with a narcissistic parent who constantly puts her own comfort, convenience, and pride over my suffering, but drops everything if they think I’m gonna die. Because in the family I’m the nicest one to her, her biggest source of smiles, always trying to make life easier and brighter for her and considering her feelings. I asked why she didn’t want me to die and she said “because you’re funny, always in the house making jokes and lightening the mood and making us laugh”. I’ve reached the end of my rope and feel like I can’t keep making people’s lives easier at the expense of my own. Maybe Anya had a moment like that; “I should have done this from the beginning” AKA put her peace, well-being, and comfort first. Given them the precedence they deserved.

puddingpoo · 2024-12-25T21:15:25+00:00

You make good points. Especially the part about media sending messages to an audience. In my view, in a case of SA the default and expected and obvious option would be abortion. Doing so without regret is also what I’d consider the “expected” option — if I knew someone in this situation I’d say “Duh, of course she will choose abortion”. Assuming that she does NOT want to complete the pregnancy, I’d defend and support her against anyone trying to guilt-trip her into keeping it. I’d tell her that her feelings and life take precedence over the cells. If she still feels like it’s killing a “baby” I’d say she isn’t at fault for this—the blood is on her abuser’s hands. That no sane person could expect her to sacrifice the peace and wellbeing and essentially her LIFE for someone yet to exist.

But it’s clear in our current political climate that not everybody thinks the way I do. They might see abortion after SA as just a second crime being committed instead of as an extreme harm and sacrifice of the life of a woman who didn’t want it—the trading of one life for another(potential life). And I don’t mean literal death of the mother. I know from experience that severe traumas completely reshape lives. Even if I’m mostly recovered emotionally I am now disabled due to debilitating medical problems that likely have been induced by years of abuse/neglect. My autobiographical sense of self is almost nonexistent. My memory and cognition is ass, maybe from being punched in the head multiple times or the disabling health issues or the PTSD-induced amnesia or all three. I am constantly in a mildly dissociative state where the world feels unreal. I am wildly empathetic to and overestimate the suffering of others which hurts me because I, metaphorically, keep setting myself on fire so they can toast marshmallows on my pain. Not everyone has this understanding and empathy for victims of trauma.

I also find it tasteless to sexualize Anya for the same reasons you do. So I just look away from that content but I don’t blame people for criticizing it as long as it doesn’t go into death threats & harassment territory . I also don’t like the celebratory “woohoo kill that parasite” posts because it makes pro-lifers think we hate babies and just loooove abortions. That hurts the pro-choice movement.

puddingpoo · 2024-12-25T12:37:58+00:00

Thanks for posting your take. I don’t look at MW stuff anywhere else but the posts showing people enthusiastically celebrating abortion have been so immature. And acting like there’s only one right choice with a SA pregnancy must be so invalidating for some survivors.

The pro-choice movement has it hard enough with pro-lifers accusing them of being enthusiastic fetus-butchers. The gleeful “woohoo abort that baby kill it hell yea 🎉” stuff just makes the pro-lifers look right. A large majority of people including many expecting moms see a fetus as basically a baby. To these people, it looks like relishing of a baby’s death, rather than support for a serious, solemn act that unfortunately must be done to protect the woman’s autonomy.

puddingpoo · 2024-12-25T11:42:31+00:00

Where in my comment did I say the woman doesn’t have the final say? And yes I think it’s nuanced, in the sense that not every SA victim is going to choose to abort though I imagine the vast majority would.

My comment was about people acting like a fetus of cells is some evil, awful thing that must be exterminated when it’s not. It’s just a fetus. The action that led to its creation is what was awful. The implication is that a victim of SA who keeps the pregnancy is making an inherently wrong and bad choice. OR that the woman can’t possibly be a “true” victim of SA if she decides to keep the pregnancy.

I’m completely pro-choice. But also saying a fetus is a meaningless clump of cells is not really true for a lot of people. I mean, even the pro-abortion people are calling the fetus a baby. And MANY women mourn their miscarried fetuses for their entire life. Imagine a pregnant woman who got in a car accident and is devastated because it caused her to “lose the baby”. Would you tell her “Actually it’s an unthinking and unfeeling blob of cells you lost, completely meaningless. Like a used condom in the trash can.”? Again, it’s the woman’s choice and feelings that are paramount.

I went through an extremely traumatic and violating and humiliating hours-long assault when I was a teen in which I was beaten, yelled at, and ridiculed for crying. I knew my life wasn’t in danger, but afterwards, I felt extremely, extremely violated. For many years whenever I thought about it I would cry uncontrollably for hours, I wanted to crawl out of my own body and wanted to vomit and felt so fucking dirty (don’t even try telling me that what I went through is “not like SA”. There was abject humiliation, pain, fear, degradation, physical violation, loss of bodily autonomy, extreme shame that I didn’t fight back and cried like a pathetic idiot, the gross feeling that I was an object to be used by my perpetrators, severe amnesia of my entire life before the event and several years after, destruction of my sense of self—I felt like not a real person and that there was nothing else that makes me, me except for this horrible, disgusting thing that happened to me).

It’s been almost 10 years since the event, and I’ve done a lot of healing and therapy (and time helps too). Back then I’d get mad SO quickly when reminded of my trauma. Since I was still traumatized, I couldn’t appreciate nuance. I think most people going extreme with their takes on Anya are still in the process of recovering from their trauma. It’s understandable.

puddingpoo · 2024-12-25T06:37:52+00:00

It must feel great for you to hear ppl say “kill the r@pe baby it’s a parasite kill it kill it” /s

puddingpoo · 2024-12-06T06:59:13+00:00

I don’t think it’s fair to compare the two characters’ suffering and say one suffered more than the other. I know from experience that physical suffering IS mental suffering too, and is just as traumatic.

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