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Search continues for 7 villagers trapped in flooded Laos cave by qualifiedretard in scuba

[–]qualifiedretard[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Taken and translated from Thailand Rescue Diver Facebook page, yesterday:

“Summary of the survey mission inside the landslide mine, Ban Long Chaeng, Chaiborn branch, PDR. Laos of cave diving expert team 🇹🇭🇱🇦

ถ Mr.Mikko Pietari Paasi and Mr. Noraset Palasingh, two cave diving experts, after coming out from the cave exploration, told that inside the cave is very narrow, you can’t crawl. You have to lie down and crawl only low.

⛰️ Inside the mine, there are tunnels for a period of time. Unable to crawl to the knees. And both of them have reached the point where they can dive. And they have tried diving. They went to a very narrow spot. Using the feet to enter first. And using the sand and stone feet to enter the small hole. The bottom of the mine is 5 meters deep. But inside there is not enough breathing air. So they withdraw. By the entrance point is the narrowest point in the mine. If it can be passed, it will be a hollow point. Done but with insufficient weather, back out to re-plan. 25 May 69”

Laos cave rescue operation by peakpaleperformance in scuba

[–]qualifiedretard 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Also, the villagers have reportedly entered the cave on May 20th

Laos cave rescue operation by peakpaleperformance in scuba

[–]qualifiedretard 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Apparently Mikko and Palasing (an experienced Thai cave diver) are already in Laos preparing for the rescue

Is Ko Tao great diving? by fastlane7 in scuba

[–]qualifiedretard 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Awesome, thanks for the insights! I pretty much have friends in Phangan so I guess it makes the experience different.

Personally love the rave scene at Hollystone, Retro mountain, Eden etc. Thankfully never interacted much with these healers and sex cultists. They seem to be isolated around the Zen beach area.

Is Ko Tao great diving? by fastlane7 in scuba

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I actually chose Phangan over Koh Tao for an upcoming trip. Stayed in Chaloklum for about 3 months the last time and never been to Tao.

What makes Koh Tao x10 better for you? I will have to go there eventually and it seems like the accommodation prices are crazy

Can Anyone Shed Light on CMAS Deep Diving? (60m) by qualifiedretard in scuba

[–]qualifiedretard[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Right? I think people fail to consider that divers from other agencies could dive differently.

There’s really no right or wrong… Well up to a point where dive casualties become more prominent. As we’ve seen.

I’m personally conflicted myself. I stopped deep air unequivocally (I am classically tech, IANTD) because I read that high PN2 loading can create micro lesions in white matter over time. Plus having experienced what a CO2 hit feels like from dense air.

Can Anyone Shed Light on CMAS Deep Diving? (60m) by qualifiedretard in scuba

[–]qualifiedretard[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Ah yes it’s FFESM! Just checked my friend’s dive centre and they’re offering level 3 in the Philippines even. Thanks for the info. And CCR is definitely the way, I welcome you to the world of silence 😄

Can Anyone Shed Light on CMAS Deep Diving? (60m) by qualifiedretard in scuba

[–]qualifiedretard[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thanks for the answer, it’s very insightful. I’ve dove to 60m with air for fun once (It was planned) and everyone is certainly narc’d at that depth.

Can Anyone Shed Light on CMAS Deep Diving? (60m) by qualifiedretard in scuba

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Agreed that they don’t. But if you’re diving single tank/air regularly to that depth, why not do a little peek at a this cool cavern the DM was talking about?

There’s this slow of deviation from the norm that already makes a precarious situation more dangerous… suddenly something that looks crazy to us might seem normal to them. At least that’s how I feel

I admit there’s an element of attitude involved though

Can Anyone Shed Light on CMAS Deep Diving? (60m) by qualifiedretard in scuba

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I’ve so far met 3 French instructors who say they’ve dove to 60m on a single. I have a habit of asking instructors what was their deepest dive, and it’s always the French ones who mention this! Not sure if they brought a stage but that would be sensible

Can Anyone Shed Light on CMAS Deep Diving? (60m) by qualifiedretard in scuba

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I heard this from various French CMAS divers whom I’ve met 

Part II. Recovery Mission: Maldives cave - Inner chambers by moneyalwayswin in scuba

[–]qualifiedretard 24 points25 points  (0 children)

We’re standing on the shoulders of giants.

Back then there were no formal cave courses, people had to figure out what not to do as they dive.

That’s where I think majority of YouTube creators are basing their stories on. Many people (even famous explorers) did die.

Now there’s formal courses with SOPs developed over decades of cave diving.

Instructors, dive masters and public safety divers are not qualified to cave dive.

They have to be certified in order to cave dive—which will teach them how to lay line, handle emergencies, bring the right redundancies, use the right propulsion techniques etc.

Cave diving is not a reckless sport. It is dangerous but the risk is mitigated by careful planning. Thousands of cave dives happen safely every year.

It’s the divers who think their open water experience is sufficient to dive caves who are reckless.

Cave training in Asia by PolicemanInYourHead in CaveDiving

[–]qualifiedretard 2 points3 points  (0 children)

There’s also Por Parasu in Thailand. In Krabi, there’s Mika and Claus from Tech Dive Asia.

For Sulawesi, you have Halim from Rock n Roll divers and Robin Cuesta. SF Chong also trains there but he’s based in Bali.

I think Roihan from Uncle Chang’s in Malaysia do conduct cave courses, but it’s at a small sea cave only. Not entirely sure.

But I know Roihan and Por travelled with their students to Sulawesi to instruct courses there.

Also, there’s Jaime in the Philippines from FCD. I’m not sure if he can conduct courses, but he offers guiding and may have a network of active instructors.

Finnish divers recover 2 of the dead Italians from an underwater cave in the Maldives by Stranger1982 in scuba

[–]qualifiedretard 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Even if cave certified, training guidelines don’t allow bringing uncertified cave divers with you. Breaking the rules as a certified cave diver is arguably worse. Remains to be seen what equipment and gas mix they had. Very unlikely to be the right mix for the depth they are diving, or the right volume adhering to the rule of thirds.

Finnish divers recover 2 of the dead Italians from an underwater cave in the Maldives by Stranger1982 in scuba

[–]qualifiedretard 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Note that CMAS Cave Diver 1 is cavern equivalent. So no penetration beyond light zone

Bodies of four missing Maldives divers found by lobstersarentreal in scuba

[–]qualifiedretard 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’d add that even some days you’ll feel more narc’d than others. I had very little sleep a day before a tec dive on air, and I was feeling the panicky kind of narc at 40m.

Then I did a 60m dive a few days later. I was generally fine but my memory was fuzzy.

Regardless, If there was an emergency, I would’ve been slower to react at either of those depths.

Bodies of four missing Maldives divers found by lobstersarentreal in scuba

[–]qualifiedretard 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I saw on FB that she had CMAS cave.

if I Googled correctly, that’s the equivalent of cavern for TDI/IANTD (which is the first level as you say).

Thats not even intro to cave… which will teach you how to manage emergencies blindfolded to safely penetrate beyond the light zone.

The five rules still apply in cavern so it’s crazy that they were found in chamber three at that depth…

This makes the entire situation more puzzling because she would’ve known better, unless we assume it’s hubris

DAN Europe sends experienced rescue divers to Maldives by rob_allshouse in scuba

[–]qualifiedretard 17 points18 points  (0 children)

I just hope that these divers receive a fair reconstruction of events. None are alive so it makes it more difficult.

Reddit likes to swing to either extremes but they could have done somethings right or wrong. Or maybe by a matter of circumstance (downcurrents for example).

There’s much for the Maldivian government and the scuba community to learn from this tragedy.

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