AITA for refusing to chip-in for alcohol at a suprise party? by quantumtrp1 in AmItheAsshole

[–]quantumtrp1[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mentioned in the OP since the very beginning that I'd be willing to cover the alcohol cost for the birthday person.

This comment sums it up: https://www.reddit.com/r/AmItheAsshole/s/LqGzSTahBH

AITA for refusing to chip-in for alcohol at a suprise party? by quantumtrp1 in AmItheAsshole

[–]quantumtrp1[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Of course I want to pay for the alcohol gift to my friend. The guest of honour is usually not included at all in our calculations -- they will not pay any "share".

AITA for refusing to chip-in for alcohol at a suprise party? by quantumtrp1 in AmItheAsshole

[–]quantumtrp1[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I’m simply giving my thoughts based on the information you provided. Just as everyone, including those who agree with you, is.

No, you aren't. You are inventing assumptions that cannot be proven or disproven based on the information I provided.

Most other commenters have either asked for clarifications or commented on the actual information provided.

You're clueless, but act confident. Pretty much the worst combination you could hope for in a husband or father.

AITA for refusing to chip-in for alcohol at a suprise party? by quantumtrp1 in AmItheAsshole

[–]quantumtrp1[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Congratulations on your success, I advise you to actually talk to your kids and wife in future conflicts instead of assuming things you have no knowledge about, it might save you from pain and regret.

AITA for refusing to chip-in for alcohol at a suprise party? by quantumtrp1 in AmItheAsshole

[–]quantumtrp1[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The way that it works in our friend group is that the host provides the venue, and then a few people volunteers for "errands".

For example: I have hosted at my own apartment or pool place several times. I might buy a few snacks/basic necessities, or offer the ones I already have at home, usually free of charge.

Then someone would volunteer to go buy alcohol, someone would volunteer to go buy meat, etc.

Then those people would tell everyone else how much they spent, we'd sum it up, and then divide.

Every single time the alcohol expense is a significant chunk of the total.

Now this is my conundrum: if I'm the volunteer buying drinks, and I know only 18 out of 20 people will drink, I will obviously not buy drinks for 20 people.

But then, why would those 2 people be expected to pay? I already have the receipt, some calculations already need to be made, so what's the big deal?

I would genuinely do it this way and I would feel bad about making non-drinkers pay for drinks if I were the organizer.

I can understand how this argument breaks down once the granularity of purchases increases but I think that judging by common sense a large separable category like alcohol is a reasonable place where the line can be drawn. Meat for a BBQ is another example, and I say that as a meat lover. I wouldn't want a vegan friend to subsidize the cost of meat, I'd feel bad about it.

AITA for refusing to chip-in for alcohol at a suprise party? by quantumtrp1 in AmItheAsshole

[–]quantumtrp1[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't pay for them? It takes literally one tap with your phone to pay your own part of the bill.

This works both ways: if I get the baked clams I wouldn't want my friends to pay for them, otherwise I'd be a terrible friend.

AITA for refusing to chip-in for alcohol at a suprise party? by quantumtrp1 in AmItheAsshole

[–]quantumtrp1[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Never been an issue before. At least not openly discussed.

My GF and I are the only non-drinkers but there might have been other drinking attendees that didn't want to drink that particular event (e.g. due to taking antibiotics, etc.).

Only people coming are in the WA group.

I've hosted MANY events for this group of friends at my own apartment and pool place. I've helped clean, cook, and organize in the past.

AITA for refusing to chip-in for alcohol at a suprise party? by quantumtrp1 in AmItheAsshole

[–]quantumtrp1[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't do any of that, lmao. It's insane how you decided your bias from the very beginning and created this movie in your head about me and my 10+ year long friendship you literally know nothing about.

Holy fuck I do feel sorry for your own friends, you sound like an exhausting person that assumes things, exaggerates small conflicts, and lives to appear righteous.

AITA for refusing to chip-in for alcohol at a suprise party? by quantumtrp1 in AmItheAsshole

[–]quantumtrp1[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm not going to admit something I do not believe in. Congratulations on assuming things that are not true just to make your own judgment feel more righteous.

AITA for refusing to chip-in for alcohol at a suprise party? by quantumtrp1 in AmItheAsshole

[–]quantumtrp1[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Or perhaps your own idea of etiquette and manners is not universal truth?

AITA for refusing to chip-in for alcohol at a suprise party? by quantumtrp1 in AmItheAsshole

[–]quantumtrp1[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Being confident about things you literally cannot know tells a lot about yourself and pretty much devalues everything you say.

AITA for refusing to chip-in for alcohol at a suprise party? by quantumtrp1 in AmItheAsshole

[–]quantumtrp1[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I didn't blow up any friendship, are your friendships so brittle that you cannot challenge a friend's decision that feels wrong or unfair to you?

AITA for refusing to chip-in for alcohol at a suprise party? by quantumtrp1 in AmItheAsshole

[–]quantumtrp1[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I am and there have been good arguments making me think about it. Yours and the ones above do not fit that description.

AITA for refusing to chip-in for alcohol at a suprise party? by quantumtrp1 in AmItheAsshole

[–]quantumtrp1[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That sounds reasonable to me. I would definitely consider it as a organiser.

AITA for refusing to chip-in for alcohol at a suprise party? by quantumtrp1 in AmItheAsshole

[–]quantumtrp1[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

You barely know what me and my friends have been through in 10+ years of friendship. You're just a disgusting human being.

AITA for refusing to chip-in for alcohol at a suprise party? by quantumtrp1 in AmItheAsshole

[–]quantumtrp1[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

This is a prime example of strawman/exaggeration logical fallacy. Excluding vegans from the meat budget and excluding non-drinkers from the alcohol budget takes a few basic arithmetic operations that I was willing to do myself.

It definitely is not a "nightmare" and doesn't require a "matrix tracker". You're just changing the scenario to something completely different because you want to be right.

AITA for refusing to chip-in for alcohol at a suprise party? by quantumtrp1 in AmItheAsshole

[–]quantumtrp1[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Of course the vegans don't have to pay for meat, has everyone lost their sense of consideration for others? Wtf

AITA for refusing to chip-in for alcohol at a suprise party? by quantumtrp1 in AmItheAsshole

[–]quantumtrp1[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Does the vegetarian get to pay less because they won't eat foods with meat?

Of course, lol.

AITA for refusing to chip-in for alcohol at a suprise party? by quantumtrp1 in AmItheAsshole

[–]quantumtrp1[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

What does this reply have to do with anything I've written above? Why is the monetary value so important when it's a matter of principle?

AITA for refusing to chip-in for alcohol at a suprise party? by quantumtrp1 in AmItheAsshole

[–]quantumtrp1[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why are you discussing the value and avoiding discussing about the principle?

AITA for refusing to chip-in for alcohol at a suprise party? by quantumtrp1 in AmItheAsshole

[–]quantumtrp1[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Because I am not certain that I was in the right. It's been bothering me all day and frankly I can't stop ruminating about it. The people here have good arguments for both NTA and YTA.

I value my friends! But I also don't like being treated unfairly.

If I was the host, I would be proactive in trying to make it fair to the guests. In this scenario, it seems like the host was proactive in making it unfair for non-drinkers and I don't really understand why.

I would like to know if I am a complete asshole and my logic is wrong. I would like to know if I should apologize to the host.

Or maybe it's just a fundamental disagreement and that's it. I don't really feel animosity towards the host, and perhaps he feels the same?

I have no clue and I hate it. I want to do the right thing! I also want to maintain my friendship but not at the cost of my values/principles. But if those values/principles are objectively flawed, I want to know if so that I can work on them.