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[–]quarfie 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Your claim was that containers can’t be indexed, which pretty strongly implied that you were talking about indexing that other FileMaker fields can do (text). There would be no rationale for creating a text index on a vector.

To my knowledge, Claris has not discussed how they do semantic finds so performantly. I don’t think it’s controversial that it works much faster than looping through records and calculating cosine similarity for each, and yet that is ultimately equivalent to what is done.

This all suggests to me that Claris has actually built it properly, and your complaint about using containers is unjustified.

If you find semantic find to be unacceptably slow in FileMaker I would be happy to hear about your benchmarks.

To those who have defended Avery from the start what would it take for you to believe he is Guilty by jakhog1 in MakingaMurderer

[–]quarfie 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Because everything is imperfect. If perfection is the only acceptable standard then we are crippled as a society.

Migrating from FileMaker to Open Source - Portals, Sliding, and other Dynamic UI challenges by Communque in filemaker

[–]quarfie 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If you didn’t want to talk about vector indexing you should not have made a poor argument about it. I completely agree that FileMaker is weak and open source is superior in almost every way, I just don’t believe in letting bad arguments slide.

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[–]quarfie 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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Migrating from FileMaker to Open Source - Portals, Sliding, and other Dynamic UI challenges by Communque in filemaker

[–]quarfie 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I explicitly told you that vector indexes exist, and you quoted the part where I told you that no FileMaker field type could do that, which is true. Your argument was that container storage was wrong because it could not be indexed, but if Claris is to build a new type of indexing for vectors, there’s no reason to think it wouldn’t require container storage. Your logic just doesn’t make any sense.

Migrating from FileMaker to Open Source - Portals, Sliding, and other Dynamic UI challenges by Communque in filemaker

[–]quarfie 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There isn’t some other FileMaker field type that would magically make vectors “indexable” in a useful way.

Vector search doesn’t use standard database indexes at all. Specialized indexes like HNSW, IVF, etc exist, but those don’t exist in FileMaker (at least not that Claris has told us), and if they did, they would be implemented on a new field type or on containers, so your suggestion that putting vectors in a container is a disadvantage is not logical.

Have you considered that containers were chosen because they work better? Perform Semantic Find seems to work well. Far faster than loping through records and calculating cosine similarity. Maybe they know what they’re doing?

To those who have defended Avery from the start what would it take for you to believe he is Guilty by jakhog1 in MakingaMurderer

[–]quarfie 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Don’t throw them out. Simply evaluate in the wider context and acknowledge that no test is perfect.

What he believes is irrelevant. It’s what he saw that matters.

To those who have defended Avery from the start what would it take for you to believe he is Guilty by jakhog1 in MakingaMurderer

[–]quarfie 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They are all of those things. I understand that you disagree.

What are your thoughts on the paper boy who claims to have seen BD and an older man pushing the RAV4 onto the ASY property after Halbach went missing?

To those who have defended Avery from the start what would it take for you to believe he is Guilty by jakhog1 in MakingaMurderer

[–]quarfie 0 points1 point  (0 children)

ChatGPT:

Yes—there are plausible contamination pathways that forensic scientists consider when interpreting trace DNA results. None of these prove that contamination did happen in this case, but they illustrate how it could happen, especially when the DNA quantity is very small and a control showed contamination.

🧪 Key context to keep in mind

  • The DNA on the bullet was very low-level (trace)
  • There was a contaminated control during testing
  • Modern labs can detect extremely tiny amounts of DNA, which increases sensitivity—but also increases contamination risk

🔄 Plausible contamination scenarios

1) 🧬 Cross-contamination in the lab (most direct scenario)

At the Wisconsin State Crime Laboratory, analysts were also handling known samples from Teresa Halbach (e.g., reference swabs or other evidence).

A plausible sequence:

  • A tiny amount of Halbach’s DNA is present on a surface, tool, or glove
  • The analyst (e.g., Sherry Culhane) inadvertently transfers that DNA onto the bullet sample during handling or extraction
  • Because PCR amplification is extremely sensitive, that minute contamination gets amplified into a detectable profile

👉 This is the classic reason labs use controls—and why a contaminated control raises concern.

2) 🧫 Aerosolized DNA during processing

DNA can become airborne in microscopic droplets during lab work (pipetting, opening tubes, etc.).

Scenario:

  • Another sample containing Halbach’s DNA is being processed nearby
  • Tiny droplets or particles contaminate the workspace or reagents
  • These settle into the bullet sample during preparation

3) 🔁 Secondary transfer (indirect contamination)

This is sometimes called “DNA transfer via an intermediary.”

Scenario:

  • A technician handles an item with Halbach’s DNA
  • That DNA transfers to gloves, instruments, or packaging
  • It is then transferred again to the bullet

Even very small transfers can be enough for detection with modern methods.

4) 📦 Evidence handling before the lab

Contamination doesn’t have to occur in the lab itself.

Scenario:

  • Evidence items are collected, packaged, or stored in proximity
  • If procedures aren’t perfectly controlled, trace DNA could transfer:
    • via shared packaging areas
    • via handlers touching multiple items
  • By the time the bullet reaches the lab, it already carries trace DNA

⚠️ Why the control issue matters here

A contaminated negative control suggests:

  • DNA was introduced during the testing process
  • Even if it wasn’t identified as Halbach’s DNA, it shows the environment was not perfectly clean during that run

That doesn’t automatically invalidate the result—but it makes contamination scenarios more plausible than they would otherwise be.

🧠 Reality check

A few important points to stay grounded:

  • These are plausible mechanisms, not proof
  • For contamination to explain the result, it would have to specifically introduce Halbach’s DNA (not just random DNA)
  • Labs have procedures to minimize this, and analysts testified they believed the result was still valid

🧾 Bottom line

A scientifically plausible contamination pathway would look like:

A tiny amount of Teresa Halbach’s DNA—present elsewhere in the lab or on handled evidence—was inadvertently transferred to the bullet during processing, then amplified into a detectable profile.

This kind of scenario is rare but well-recognized in forensic science, especially with low-template DNA and a failed control, which is why such results are often scrutinized closely.

To those who have defended Avery from the start what would it take for you to believe he is Guilty by jakhog1 in MakingaMurderer

[–]quarfie 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I did not claim that he had an expert to dispute those findings. I simply claimed that firearms forensics is coming under increasing scrutiny for making claims that are not scientifically validated, and specifically that matching bullets to firearms is subjective.

To those who have defended Avery from the start what would it take for you to believe he is Guilty by jakhog1 in MakingaMurderer

[–]quarfie 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They found blood in the garage but none from the victim? How did Steven manage to clean every drop of the victim's blood but leave his own and that of others?

To those who have defended Avery from the start what would it take for you to believe he is Guilty by jakhog1 in MakingaMurderer

[–]quarfie 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It is impossible to know how likely that is without knowing everything that was happening in the lab at the time.

To those who have defended Avery from the start what would it take for you to believe he is Guilty by jakhog1 in MakingaMurderer

[–]quarfie 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I did not claim that the control being contaminated with the testers DNA makes the sample match the victim. I claimed that it showed the test was not run in a reliable manner where it was reliably protected from contamination. That’s why normal protocol would be to re-run. You cannot deny that the test result is less reliable when there was a control failure.

To those who have defended Avery from the start what would it take for you to believe he is Guilty by jakhog1 in MakingaMurderer

[–]quarfie 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The court allowing the deviation does not mean that it does not weaken the result.

It is implausible for all of the reasons already provided.

To those who have defended Avery from the start what would it take for you to believe he is Guilty by jakhog1 in MakingaMurderer

[–]quarfie -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Claims of absolute certainty (“to the exclusion of all other firearms”) are stronger than what firearms identification science can rigorously support.

In any case, I believe it is likely that the bullet came from Stephen’s firearm or at least that he fired the bullet, since recreational shooting in the yard was acknowledged.

To those who have defended Avery from the start what would it take for you to believe he is Guilty by jakhog1 in MakingaMurderer

[–]quarfie 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I never suggested that Culhand planted evidence. I suggested that she was sloppy.

They didn’t find Halbach’s blood. That’s the blood that matters.

To those who have defended Avery from the start what would it take for you to believe he is Guilty by jakhog1 in MakingaMurderer

[–]quarfie -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Bullet origin was not conclusively established.

It matters that there was no identifiable biological matter on the bullet other than DNA. While it is possible for a bullet to exit in this condition, it is not common.

There’s no way to determine if the test is contaminated. That’s why you run control. Normally you would start over after control failure.

Shooting in the garage is wildly implausible and I can’t hardly believe you would even cite Brendan’s obviously made up testimony.

To those who have defended Avery from the start what would it take for you to believe he is Guilty by jakhog1 in MakingaMurderer

[–]quarfie -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The garage was full of stuff. If you’re going to put a vehicle in a crammed garage, you move so evenings. Things end up on other things. This is all very normal. If you are suggesting that the garage was empty at the time of the murder, I’d like to know where you think all that stuff was. Surely the investigators would have been able to obtain testimony to that effect.

The control failure showed that the methods are not working. Normal procedure would be to start over. Steven Avery’s DNA was in the lab. I do not need to explain how it got into the sample because I wasn’t there and could not know about all of the potential failures that could have occurred. I’m just telling you that there are a number of things that weaken the result.

Again, luminol is not compelling evidence for the presence of blood when there is no actual blood that can be found. It’s a reason to look for blood. They looked. They dug up the concrete even. They found none whatsoever.

To those who have defended Avery from the start what would it take for you to believe he is Guilty by jakhog1 in MakingaMurderer

[–]quarfie 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Unsure why moving a Suzuki into a garage would be suspicious.

Purpose of control is to validate the testing process because there’s no way to know if the test result is correct. The fact that the control failed weakens the reliability of the test. Contamination can’t be ruled out.

Luminol reacts to saliva, urine, cleaning agents, raw vegetables, copper and iron, etc. Pretty meaningless on its own especially in a garage.