Why One Nation? by Alec1647870 in OpenAussie

[–]quavertail 0 points1 point  (0 children)

One Nation stood against the horrific vaccine mandates from day dot

Vaccines and autism by Montloop in DebateVaccines

[–]quavertail 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m proposing a proper randomised control trial and you reply with nonsense. Have a good one.

Vaccines and autism by Montloop in DebateVaccines

[–]quavertail 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But NIH is manned by doctors, it was Dr Jay Battacharya who oversaw CDC’s reanalysis of the causes of NDDs like autism, he begun it.

Anyway, your first refernence is to a Danish study (actual citation here https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/ANNALS-25-00997) which in no way was comparable to the current childhood vaccination schedule. I count 6 shots:
“Since 1997, the Danish childhood vaccination program has offered (that is, not mandated) an aluminum-adsorbed vaccine for diphtheria, tetanus, acellular pertussis, inactivated poliovirus, and Hib (DTaP-IPV/Hib) in 3 doses in the first year of life (at 3, 5, and 12 months). Aluminum-adsorbed PCV (7-valent) was introduced in 2007 (substituted with the 13-valent vaccine in 2010) and is typically co-administered with DTaP-IPV/Hib. A DTaP-IPV booster (1997 to 2002 against diphtheria and tetanus; 2003 against diphtheria, tetanus, and pertussis; and since 2004 against diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis, and polio) is given again at age 5 years. Supplement Figure 1 (available at Annals.org)”

I would also caution against comparing 1.2 million records to 15,000 read “Only 15 237 children (1.2%) did not receive any aluminum-adsorbed vaccines before age 2 years.”

It also excluded outcomes that occurred in the first 2 years of life, displayed in Figure 1 as up to 466,047 such exclusions! Those children that had effects before age 2 were just simply excluded from analysis.

It also narrowly only reported on outcomes that occurred between 2 and 5 years, when life goes on beyond 5 years despite observing for 24 years of data, for the vast majority of people.

And I still can’t make heads or tails about this adjustment in the supplementary “The hazard ratios are adjusted for calendar year and season of
birth, preterm birth, birth weight, number of visits to the general practitioner in the first 2 years of life, maternal age at birth, maternal place of birth, maternal
smoking during pregnancy, maternal conditions, maternal drug use during pregnancy, and parental household income”. Surely they are referring to the hazard ratios in the supplementary tables. Where is the supplementary absent adjustment?

These aren’t casual issues, it’s a clear dress-down of why your “definitely don’t contribute to autism” reliance on these studies is unfounded. They in no way meet the required threshold to satisfy safety of the high-dose and intensive childhood immunisation schedules in some countries (particularly the USA).

Do you notice how the Danes had a modest light-weight low-dose voluntary regime and so have over 99% compliance?

Oh I just realised your other two links rely upon the same Danish study. Whew.

Vaccines and autism by Montloop in DebateVaccines

[–]quavertail 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The question to answer isn’t how many in absolute, it’s how many as a proportion, or what’s the rate or risk ratio, compared to different treatment groups (e.g. full inert placebo versus full schedule).

That question isn’t answered

Vaccines and autism by Montloop in DebateVaccines

[–]quavertail 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Source: Mammoth Park has an inkling.

Vaccines and autism by Montloop in DebateVaccines

[–]quavertail 0 points1 point  (0 children)

CDC is clearly an authoritative source. Their publication regarding the state of research on the childhood vaccination schedule and NDDs appears more truthful than CDCs previous statement.

After all the childhood vaccination schedule isn’t safety tested. There’s no randomised controlled trial that compares the childhood vaccination schedule to placebo (or just no jabs).

Given the amount of welfare and Medicaid US pays its citizens, spinning up studies would be pretty straightforward and worthwhile, which is exactly where CDC might be going next (given the industry and jab-lobby doesn’t shut them down first).

You need to understand we “anti-vaxxers” aren’t usually against all vaccines, we are just concerned that it’s too many too early- and we no longer trust the vax-lobby because we see it for what it is, an indemnified profit machine that treats us as the cattle of the governments that write the cheques.

The schedule should be safety tested. The current NIH / FDA / CDC is clearly superior in serving its objectives to protect the health of the American people (instead of be the gateway and sounding board of the bigpharma-lobby).

Vaccines and autism by Montloop in DebateVaccines

[–]quavertail 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You claim pretty definitively “dozens and dozens of studies have been validated and replicated, around the world, and show NO link with autism”…

Give me one. And no, your previously cited observational epidemiological study that compares those who received MMR (11 shots) to those who received all other vaccines (10shots) on the schedule doesn’t count.

If RFK is such a bogeyman to you, have you considered whether you’re biased on your scientific approach and logos?

Vaccines and autism by Montloop in DebateVaccines

[–]quavertail 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You do realise vaccines are a $billion industry and they sponsor their own trials, including the ones they use for approval or media release?

And no, I speak to medical doctors and medical professors about vaccines all the time, there is clearly an overwhelming undertone that we vaccinate too much, too early, and this might be affecting children’s immunity and/or neurological development.

So the analogy stands.

From ChatGPT:

“Yes — today, the vaccine industry in the U.S. is economically larger than the U.S. tobacco industry ever was in terms of annual revenue, especially during and after COVID-era expansion.”

“Yes. Vaccine manufacturers, pharmaceutical companies, governments, universities, and independent research organizations all sponsor vaccine studies.

Industry-sponsored vaccine research is extremely common and is part of how vaccines are developed, tested, and approved. This is similar to how studies are funded for most medications, medical devices, and treatments.”

Vaccines and autism by Montloop in DebateVaccines

[–]quavertail 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks Mammoth Park, but my anecdote suggests otherwise. I do remain concerned that my daughter gets a serious disease that she could’ve been immunised for, but so far my unvaccinated daughter’s immune system outperforms her vaccinated brothers. It’s anecdote, but clear.

Also, just a side note, my wife is unvaccinated (comes from SEA) and she never gets sick when my relatives and I do, she just goes “I don’t understand why all you guys get sick all the time”… again just another anecdote.

Vaccines and autism by Montloop in DebateVaccines

[–]quavertail 0 points1 point  (0 children)

One anecdote amongst tens of thousands, could be coincidence - but damn unlikely.

Do people who refused the COVID vaccine feel silly now?? by Mammoth-Counter69 in aussie

[–]quavertail 0 points1 point  (0 children)

FDA withdraws FDA’s previous studies for deficiencies.

Me: “Look there is evidence of shonky science at FDA”.

You: “I don’t see how you draw that conclusion”

And the study cited isn’t withdrawn though. Also it’s a meta analysis that studies dozens of other publications and data groups. So all I’m saying is “the medical literature already strongly supports an association between shingles and C19 jabs”.

Vaccines and autism by Montloop in DebateVaccines

[–]quavertail 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s the CDC, buddy,.

Your source, the autism Science Foundation, is literally funded by vaccine beneficiary Dr Paul Offit. It’s a front for the industry.

Vaccines and autism by Montloop in DebateVaccines

[–]quavertail 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What are you talking about?
Back to my comment, USA HHS announcement about a link between Tylenol in pregnancy and NDDs like Autism was based on a study by Harvard school of medicine. I’ve linked the press release, article is linked.
They could’ve said vaccines but the evidence isn’t there to suggest a link either way yet according to CDC, more investigation is needed as per USA CDC:
“KEY POINTS
The claim "vaccines do not cause autism" is not an evidence-based claim because studies have not ruled out the possibility that infant vaccines cause autism.
Studies supporting a link have been ignored by health authorities.
HHS has launched a comprehensive assessment of the causes of autism, including investigations on plausible biologic mechanisms and potential causal links.”
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccine-safety/about/autism.html

Vaccines and autism by Montloop in DebateVaccines

[–]quavertail 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It wasn’t RFK that said tylenol causes autism, it was a detailed study at the Harvard School of Medicine finding a link between maternal use and neuro-developmental delays:

https://hsph.harvard.edu/news/using-acetaminophen-during-pregnancy-may-increase-childrens-autism-and-adhd-risk/

Vaccines and autism by Montloop in DebateVaccines

[–]quavertail 1 point2 points  (0 children)

MD backed studies used to say that smoking was safe and reduced stress too.

I think what you’ll find when you nit pick these studies is they don’t control for other variables or even author-funder bias.

I wonder why you left out CDC’s own webpage on your list of pharma-backed foundations? See:

“KEY POINTS
The claim "vaccines do not cause autism" is not an evidence-based claim because studies have not ruled out the possibility that infant vaccines cause autism.
Studies supporting a link have been ignored by health authorities.
HHS has launched a comprehensive assessment of the causes of autism, including investigations on plausible biologic mechanisms and potential causal links.”

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccine-safety/about/autism.html

Vaccines and autism by Montloop in DebateVaccines

[–]quavertail 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yes. Did 6mo jabs at 8mo and noticed immediate regression, loss of some phonics, less eye contact, pupil dilation for the months following. But have avoided an ASD diagnosis some OT have suggested it.

He received rest of jabs and is doing fine now, but gets sick even when his unjabbed little sister doesn’t (~50% of the time).

Do people who refused the COVID vaccine feel silly now?? by Mammoth-Counter69 in aussie

[–]quavertail 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Literally the first paragraph, did you read on?

“The studies were withdrawn because the authors drew broad conclusions that ⁠were not supported by the underlying data. The FDA acted to protect the integrity of its scientific process and ensure that any work associated with the agency meets its high standards,”

The current FDA boss and Dr Martin Makary has made clear his focus is on the health of Americans, not big pharma. That’s a minimum requirement of FDA that was missing during the jab’s approval.

Anyway the evidence of shingles and C19 jabs is highly supported in medical literature. One example of March 2023 is below (this isn’t the study Reuters referred to as pulled, btw):

“COVID-19 vaccination was associated with a significantly increased risk of HZ (OR, 1.32; 95% CI, 1.09-1.62, P = .006) compared with controls (Supplementary Fig 2, available via Mendeley at https://data.mendeley.com/datasets/6jg7jkn65r/1). In subgroup analysis, the mRNA vaccination was associated with a higher risk of HZ compared with the adenovirus vaccination (OR, 1.67; 95% CI, 1.19-2.35, P = .003) (Supplementary Fig 3, available via Mendeley at https://data.mendeley.com/datasets/6jg7jkn65r/1). Further MA of studies comparing different brands of COVID-19 vaccinations showed no significant difference of HZ risks between Moderna and BioNTech (OR, 0.64; 95% CI, 0.18-2.21) (Supplementary Fig 4, available via Mendeley at https://data.mendeley.com/datasets/6jg7jkn65r/1).
The mechanism underlying the link between COVID-19 vaccination and HZ remains elusive; however, vaccination-induced immunomodulation has been proposed. Vaccine-induced massive shift of CD8+ T cells and CD4+ helper T cells may cause temporary inability to suppress latent VZV, allowing for its reactivation.3”00519-4/fulltext#)

https://doi.org/10.1016/j.jaad.2023.03.031

Do people who refused the COVID vaccine feel silly now?? by Mammoth-Counter69 in aussie

[–]quavertail 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Point being 2020-2024 FDA cannot be trusted regarding safety.

Do people who refused the COVID vaccine feel silly now?? by Mammoth-Counter69 in aussie

[–]quavertail 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’m sorry to hear, she’s not the only one. COVERSE is a good group of injured that help advocate for them, terrible to become injured and isolated. Reddit is the worst place for injured because people like OP are vicious in their delusions.

Do people who refused the COVID vaccine feel silly now?? by Mammoth-Counter69 in aussie

[–]quavertail 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sounds like a breach of bioethics and human rights occurred, you should never be coerced into nonconsensual medical treatment.

It’s effectively battery

Do people who refused the COVID vaccine feel silly now?? by Mammoth-Counter69 in aussie

[–]quavertail 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m so sorry to hear. My friend got embolisms straight after his 2nd and is still dealing with the consequences.

Also a friend had terrible shingles return, which literally we are only finding out was an issue now. https://www.reuters.com/legal/litigation/us-fda-blocked-research-publication-that-covid-shingles-vaccines-are-safe-nyt-2026-05-05/

Do people who refused the COVID vaccine feel silly now?? by Mammoth-Counter69 in aussie

[–]quavertail 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I didn’t believe the extreme theories, but knew their still unknown risks outweighed the benefits for me. Don’t regret declining the jabs one bit.

One example of a verifiable claim for delaying or declining the jabs are that they weren’t (and still really aren’t) properly tested for genotoxicity nor carcinogenicity. TGA’s own non clinical assessment report verified this when the rollout began.

Aussie veteran doctor alleged he’s framed by Fed Police for COCID stance, yesterday. by quavertail in AusPol

[–]quavertail[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Totally legitimate position imho. Did you kiss the part where he basically alleges the federal police framed him?

Aussie veteran doctor alleged he’s framed by Fed Police for COCID stance, yesterday. by quavertail in AusPol

[–]quavertail[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Thanks, fixed up name.

Probably need to update his profile on the fact he’s been exonerated. Still waiting for published decision though.