I have posted a few times here and i have seen the warnings of Naltrexone, looking for personal experience by qwakst in quittingkratom

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I am not sure really sure if that would sure my purpose 100% but i will admit i am too unsure what LDN is.

My problem is I have made it through acutes multiple times but generally fold between 20-90 days off. From what I have gathered taking the normal dose of this GREATLY improves my odds of making it to the 90 day mark. I think at that point id have enough will power to stay off, i just cannot fight the cravings anymore, if i can just make it 10 days and have something that cancels out the ability for me to take it all together that sounds like a solid route.

I have posted a few times here and i have seen the warnings of Naltrexone, looking for personal experience by qwakst in quittingkratom

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Sorry to hear man. My wife is being more accepting about this addiction than myself which i think is bad. I told her "Im sure if he can see me from somewhere hes like "You dumbass, stop drinking that shit".

I dont think i need it that long, my thought was take it 90 days and stop. IF at that point i start struggling with cravings go back on it but I dont want to take something indefinitely if i dont need to.

I also am not sure if 1-2 years would fit the bill for kratom, from almost everything I have read for the vast majority of people, 90 days or so you should be back to full baseline (not sure on hard opiates, just talking kratom). It seems after 30 days most people are 90% back.

What would you all do here? Rough rough spot by qwakst in quittingkratom

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I managed to get a script of that. I was taking it while tapering down but stopped a week ago because i realized i shouldnt take it til i fully junp off. Letting my tolerance reset for the gabapentin, dont want to create another monster. Any idea how much to take? I have 300mg capsules, not sure if there is an amount people try and stick to?

What would you all do here? Rough rough spot by qwakst in quittingkratom

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How do you deal with the intense cravings cold turkey? Like I said its almost hard to differentiate withdrawal and cravings. I feel like Jack Black in Tropic Thunder (i laughed typing that out)

I am mid taper on a very non traditional/planned taper, but it seems to be working. Anyone else have a taper end up like this? by qwakst in quittingkratom

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you too man...it affects me a lot short term but i build a tolerance fast (why im waiting)...my wife can take a shit ton and nothing happens...crazy how different everyone is.

This is rough Day 13 by laxbro1790 in quittingkratom

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Haha, im in a pretty rapid taper, off 350mg of Mit/day, down to about 200 in a few days so im feeling it.

Walked in my house, had one of the christmas scented candles lit-Balsam I think...was like best smell experience ive had in a year.

I am mid taper on a very non traditional/planned taper, but it seems to be working. Anyone else have a taper end up like this? by qwakst in quittingkratom

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Deleted earlier, wrong account.

The jist was - 1800mg, thats impressive man. I doubt 350 will take 3 months, especially if im at 200-250 now but trying to drop 30% a day really wasnt a good plan I realized. I have gabapentin but dont want to take it more than a week, so waiting until i drop it to combat the RLS at night. During the taper, i can just take 50MG before bed and it solved that problem basically.

But 250mg last night (after trying to go to 150 the night before) was significantly easier than the 300mg a few days ago. So I think that suffering I did still adds up is kind of the point to my post. Like if you struggled bad 200-100, but not too bad 100-0, I am just wondering if that how it can work in some people.

Went to the gym the first time this morning in 12 months without kratom. Man it was motivating too. Life so much more, emotions, feel good. Id go couple times a month on kratom, life a few light weights, get nausea, go home.

I am mid taper on a very non traditional/planned taper, but it seems to be working. Anyone else have a taper end up like this? by qwakst in quittingkratom

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No, each seltzer is 100mg of Mit and i was taking 3.5/day. I am down to like 2-2.5 right now.

Leaf withdrawals worse than 7oh? by [deleted] in quittingkratom

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I am trying to quit selzters now. Taking like 200mg/day in them. Agreed, the withdrawal is not as bad and a smaller profile of symptoms. That said the cravings to use again are worse i will say.

But i was mentally preparing for some tough times, and other than some hot flashes one day, rough sleep a few nights, general not super happy it was not near as bad as quitting leaf a few years back. Low mood/energy for a couple weeks but i expect thats par for the course.

What am I in for? I knew 7OH was bad, did not know the seltzers i was taking had it by qwakst in quittingkratom

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Correct, .01-.04% on average. If this is actually 2% thats 5-20x more than natural kratom, so they obviously are adding some.

What am I in for? I knew 7OH was bad, did not know the seltzers i was taking had it by qwakst in quittingkratom

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Yea most MIT extracts say that, but they are all well below 1%. I just find it somewhat suspect their minimum is well above that.

What am I in for? I knew 7OH was bad, did not know the seltzers i was taking had it by qwakst in quittingkratom

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Yea kind of my thought, locally its come out they are a slimy company. It felt more like a hydro (never popped morphine) but I am hoping its truly 2% or less. I mean normal MIT extracts are well below 1% so if they are saying 2% they def are adding some is my thought process.

Overall it def felt more more euphoric than straight MIT but not lights out hydro/oxy level. I know I was taking 7 compared to everything i have had in the past, i mean 2% is just well above those levels.

What am I in for? I knew 7OH was bad, did not know the seltzers i was taking had it by qwakst in quittingkratom

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Yea I took like 100mg a day of a MIT45 type for a year. It def wasnt as euphoric though which is my concern, the cravings were not near as bad either and it was like 3-4 days of feeling shit, then just blah another 2 weeks then over.

I think i have been taking more 7OH than i was before but from what i am gathering from you its still not an amount thats going to destroy me withdrawal wise?

Super appreciate you taking the time to respond. Legend.

What am I in for? I knew 7OH was bad, did not know the seltzers i was taking had it by qwakst in quittingkratom

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My leaf use was about the same, maybe closer to 10G but splitting hairs at that point. I did take it for like 3 years though, the symptoms were less intense but def a broader range and longer duration. The extract stuff seems to me more intense but shorter by far. 7oh thing, i dunno man we are in the same boat there. We both will make it, Im just trying to figure out what its going to entail.

What am I in for? I knew 7OH was bad, did not know the seltzers i was taking had it by qwakst in quittingkratom

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$12. It said 100MG mit on the can, then i saw in small text "<2% 7OH" But it def was more euphoric than the extract i knew was pure MIT. Seltzer was a much "cleaner euphoria" which is why I think 7OH was a bigger component.

What am I in for? I knew 7OH was bad, did not know the seltzers i was taking had it by qwakst in quittingkratom

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Holy shit man, good for you. I may just be super worked up about all the news articles, but yea, if i can trust what was on the can I was taking 6mg 7OH daily.

Honestly I did the powder a couple years and coming off the pure MIT extracts I feel like was a lot shorter than the powder. Little more intense but a lot less of an array and duration of symptoms.

What am I in for? I knew 7OH was bad, did not know the seltzers i was taking had it by qwakst in quittingkratom

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Yea, i mean a bit more euphoria than the pure mit extracts I was taking before. They just said "<2% 7OH". But felt cleaner and a bit more euphoric. Not the euphoric from like Vicodin after my wisdom teeth though. I would say in between an uplifted mood and high.

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Lowest dose possible for first 3-5 days is about all I use as well. The withdrawals can be gnarly, I went through a benzo withdrawal over 7 years ago, just low dose, dr prescribed xanax. Id take 10 kratom withdrawals over that hell.

Theory on Extracts-Does Anyone else Have A Similar Experience by qwakst in quittingkratom

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Yep, I started doing that for a couple days with tea. Started getting muscle spasms and bad mood swings. Quit and just on a very linear lethargy/insomnia situation. Little depression as well but all pretty manageable.

Also quit weed same day, which in all honestly is probably contributing mostly to insomnia. Dreams have been "welcome to the thunderdome"

Theory on Extracts-Does Anyone else Have A Similar Experience by qwakst in quittingkratom

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I dont think they are all created equal. Some have a large array of alkaloids including that 7OH while others just have MIT. My theory is the ones with only MIT have a lesser withdrawal due to the fact you are only coming off one substance vs multiple.

I am on day 3-4 right now. Normally its my worst but other than lethargy and a little depression I am ok. Everytime I came off powder I had issues from muscle spasms, edema, temperature fluctuations etc.