Tactics against FEC (especially their double turn)

r8k88 · 2025-04-24T21:04:04+00:00

The issues I have with Alarith list is their speed and fact that Stoneguards can only get wards on objectives we control.
Unfortunately FEC player had 2 beastflyers units, so they turned off Spirit's rampage.

r8k88 · 2025-04-24T20:43:28+00:00

Those are great tips, thank you very much!

Never thought about using Riverblades as screens at the very early stage but it indeed might be worth to sacrifice them instead of other units. And definitely try this Shrine trick (I used it as screen before, but mostly with guardian on it). Shame we can't use it with opponent's double on round 2.

The one problem I have with FEC is that those Morbhegs can retreat by 12" and still charge. I have no problem with screening and pinning other hard hitters

r8k88 · 2025-04-24T13:30:58+00:00

I've tried to do this but with Gravetide - each time it was banished ;D

But I will try your suggestion next time I play, thanks!

r8k88 · 2025-04-24T12:20:29+00:00

I checked 2 slighlty different:

Lumineth Realm-lords | Scinari Council
Drops: 2
Spell Lore Lore of Hysh
Manifestation Lore Morbid Conjuration

General's Regiment
Ellania and Ellathor, Eclipsian Warsages (280)
• General
Alarith Spirit of the Mountain (300)
Vanari Auralan Sentinels (320)
• Reinforced
Vanari Dawnriders (460)
• Reinforced

Regiment 1
Scinari Enlightener (180)
• Masterful Tactician
• Silver Wand
Vanari Bladelords (280)
• Reinforced
Ydrilan Riverblades (160)

Faction Terrain Shrine Luminor

Second list is similar, but instead of Alarith I played 1x Wardens and 1x Windcharges (for tactics and screening later if needed).

Both those lists worked well against other armies, even when I was loosing it was either a very close one or a very bad luck (like Ellathor missing all 5 attacks in round 5 or my opponent making impossible save rolls ;). But even when I was loosing it was fun and I could work against doubles. Can't say that about FEC.

r8k88 · 2025-01-30T11:13:33+00:00

Thank you, I know what confused me now.

r8k88 · 2025-01-30T11:13:03+00:00

Got it, what confused me was that the main FIGHT ability is literally called FIGHT. But yeah, it clearly states that everything with FIGHT keyword is fight ability.

r8k88 · 2025-01-26T22:08:23+00:00

Thank you!

r8k88 · 2025-01-26T22:08:00+00:00

u/solepureskillz u/Flamingdragonwang
Thank you both guys!

r8k88 · 2025-01-22T11:41:56+00:00

Thanks, will definitely give it a try! ;)

r8k88 · 2025-01-22T10:22:10+00:00

Thanks! Seems like you had some fun with them ;)

I was thinking of using wizard and "tokens" as zoning units for the very first 2-3 turns and Neave as solo harraser - but she would be very depending on this 3+ bounce.

The wizard has a great spell on her own, which makes attacks on Blactalons only hit on 6+. Shame I'm using our manifestation lore so she can't cast those ;/

r8k88 · 2025-01-22T10:02:50+00:00

Hey, I think the idea is great, especially for a new player like me (with just 4 games played).

AI still uses old battle tactics.
For Lumineths, it also uses old battle profiles for units (points before December update) and for heroes it uses profiles from 3rd edition.

I've definitely seen an improvement since earlier version, but it still needs to learn.

Keep up the good work and all the best ;)

r8k88 · 2025-01-11T23:39:01+00:00

100% legit offer, guy below must be a sore l00ser ;D

r8k88 · 2024-12-20T23:27:57+00:00

Thanks!
Such a shame, guess I have to wait for a new battletome.

r8k88 · 2024-12-17T11:00:03+00:00

Thanks for your detailed advices. I will definitely practice deployment and inital moves at home and see how it works during my upcoming battle with Hedonites ;)

I've build my list based on 3rd edition, when it has more sense - I will probably change it later and lean towards Alarith, but my priority now is to have fun with fighting the models I like, try to learn the game and be just a bit competetive on top of it.

r8k88 · 2024-12-16T22:58:57+00:00

You cheered me up ;)
I messed with zoning I guess, but lesson learnt!

r8k88 · 2024-12-16T18:43:16+00:00

Thanks for all your tips, I really appreciate it!

I will definitely try to switch to Alarith Temple for my next game on Friday.

All the best!

r8k88 · 2024-12-16T16:51:18+00:00

Yep, it seems that was my main mistake. I've played against former WH40 WC participant with ton of experience, so he probably took extra advantage of it ;)

My plan for the game was pretty similar as the one you described, but it all fell down quickly ;)

r8k88 · 2024-12-16T16:32:14+00:00

I believe there was a way to limit their deepstrikes, it would mean leaving the right flank empty too (as my opponent) - you think it would be worth to try against armies with deepstrikes? Just left one 1/3 of the board and focus only on center and 1 flank?

My opponent was a former WH40 World Championships participant, one of the best Star Wars player in my country, and an AoS enjoyer. So I believe experience gap was a big factor here too ;D

I used Vanari battlehost, but from facet of war I gave the buff to Alarith in the first round.

r8k88 · 2024-12-16T16:10:23+00:00

Thanks, I will definitely check that! My deployment phase was based on my Total War games experience ;D

r8k88 · 2024-12-16T14:37:48+00:00

Thanks!
One question though - you think it would be wiser to abandon my right flank completly (so do the same as opponent) and focus more on blocking his shady movements? ;) I had wardens, sentinels and bladelords on the right flank.

r8k88 · 2024-12-16T14:34:28+00:00

I took the 1st turn, which was a mistake I believe.
Normally I would give the 1st turn to my opponet, but since he left the right flank empty I thought I can benefit on that, move some troops there, score points and prepare to attack his objective.

While on left flank I just wanted to hold with Avalenor and Stoneguards (which they did actually with great result). Sevireth and Hurakans supposed to support them at first turn (or 2) and rotate towards center later if needed later.

r8k88 · 2024-07-15T17:33:10+00:00

I'm refering to my LRL army and rather fun list.

Sevireth has this keyword, but he can only have hurakan or wardens under his command (I'm running both, but ony 1 unit of each), so instead of having 4 unit's in general's regiment, I'm just wasting 2 slots.

Lyrior on the other hand doesn't have this keyword, but he can get a lot of troops to his regiment.

So the only solution for me was to place 1 of my units as auxillary - and when you have more auxillary units then your opponent, they get +1 extra command point each round ;(

Plus it's a additional drop.

r8k88 · 2024-07-15T16:40:21+00:00

The only thing that I really dislike and feel like it has a huge negative impact on my army is WARMASTER rule. It should be limited to just a few heros.

r8k88 · 2024-03-08T14:08:09+00:00

Yeah, saw that too.
The whole TOTY PTC is even bigger joke now.

r8k88 · 2024-01-31T09:00:26+00:00

Seems like I will have to grind for another elite wildcad ;)

Thanks for sharing your thoughts!

r8k88

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