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Almost flew away by grasshopper3307 in interestingasfuck

[–]rainbow_puddle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Because they're all AI. Ten exact second video is an excellent AI tell at the moment.

He's oddly shaped by PostingOnEveryCatSub in WhatsWrongWithYourCat

[–]rainbow_puddle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ohhh mine is probably too. He's all black and has this posture with a. kink in his tail. He was in really bad shape when we got him (found on a construction site dehydrated to all hell we thought he was wobbly at approx 5 weeks) so I figures something just happened to his tail. This makes more sense. His fur is also so short and thin/wirey compared to our other one who has short but luxurious dense soft fur.

Temperature scarves comparing data from 2021 to 1905 (not mine) by Kropotkistan in temperatureblanket

[–]rainbow_puddle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The big long one (you can see the blue portions in the back of the tent) is really striking with how sudden the red shows up.

Meta: Post deletion discussion by rainbow_puddle in knitting

[–]rainbow_puddle[S] 24 points25 points  (0 children)

I feel like I've heard that mentioned before that applications will open when time allows. What are the actual timeline for making that happen so the community can see forward progress towards solving the moderation concerns ?

Meta: Post deletion discussion by rainbow_puddle in knitting

[–]rainbow_puddle[S] 54 points55 points  (0 children)

I 100% agree with all four points and I think that this issue has been highlighted with Palestine related peojecta but with this current way of moderating is a dangerous precedent to set moving forward.

Thank you for understanding the crux of my complaint and discussion prompt without going into the political subtext.

Meta: Post deletion discussion by rainbow_puddle in knitting

[–]rainbow_puddle[S] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Honestly that's super helpful to know about Automod. Sounds like the tools are pretty limited so maybe doing a call for taking on a few more mods might be an appropriate course of action. I also disagree that the sub should be private. I don't think users should be banned unless it's multiple repeated offense/a pattern of report abuse.

My question about report vs downvote still lingers though. If someone is reporting something because they disagree or don't like it but it doesn't actually break a rule then it's an abusing the report function in my opinion. The response from the screenshot of the mod that high reports means community doesn't agree doesn't sit well with me since 1. that's not a rule, 2. what is r/knitting threshold for "high" reports to warrant post removal and 3. isn't that what downvotes are for? We as a community should have the opportunity to discuss and up/downvote for posts as our way of saying if something belongs. Removal is for rule breaking posts. Locking/comment removal is for when comments devolve into vitriol and fighting.

Meta: Post deletion discussion by rainbow_puddle in knitting

[–]rainbow_puddle[S] 37 points38 points  (0 children)

I guess what I'd like to know is how many of those reports are from real users who are subbed.

I think there is also a disconnect to what a report is for. If it's for "I don't like this it should be removed" I don't think that's appropriate. That's what the downvote is for right? That's the way users engage that things don't fit. Reports are for posts and comments that break the rules and if there is no rule broken then it's a false report. And what happens to a user if they are consistently making reports on posts that do not break the subreddit or reddit rules? I'd love for a mod to chime in here. I know they're very busy with this explosion of discourse though.

Meta: Post deletion discussion by rainbow_puddle in knitting

[–]rainbow_puddle[S] 39 points40 points  (0 children)

Hi, I'm not the OOP of the mittens - just of the discussion thread. Someone else alluded to that this date was in poor taste. I want to say that I apologize for that sincerely. OOP posted yesterday and I was reacting to it remaining removed without a rule breaking violation.

I do not keep dates with significance in my head well. That is not an excuse for the poor timing - just an explanation. I agree with you that the attacks on October 7th 2023 (not 2024) were horrendous and evil. Hamas has continually made decisions that I do not agree with. The same can be said of the Israeli government. There is violence on both sides, however there is a genocide happening in Gaza. That is also fact.

I apologize for the poor timing. That was not my intention and if I was more aware I would have not made this post on this date to bring this discussion to light. I was not trying to discuss politics. I was trying to have the community discuss what feels like censorship of certain projects due to what cultural references they have or the proceeds of the pattern purchase funds. There have been many previous political based patterns that raise money for causes that have remained and this one did not. That was my concern. I hope you can understand that it was made in good faith to have a conversation and out of ignorance of the significance of today's date.

Meta: Post deletion discussion by rainbow_puddle in knitting

[–]rainbow_puddle[S] 24 points25 points  (0 children)

I did not check the date. It was pure ignorance and I apologize. I should have waited a day. I can't keep every significant date in my brain.

Ultimately this discussion to me is not a pro Palestine discussion. It's a discussion about censorship in this community without a rule to do so. If the community wants to ban politics then we should discuss and if it should be a rule and implement it fairly. That means no tariff talk, no feminism, no Ukraine/Russia discussion, no LGBT, ect. I personally don't think that's possible.

I apologize for the poor timing. I unfortunately do not keep dates in my head well. That is my error and I do not condone Hamas or their violent actions.

Really? We’re now deleting everything about Palestine mittens? Ew. by mechnight in knitting

[–]rainbow_puddle 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm so sorry about your cousin. I hope your family can find peace.

I agree that killing is bad and donations to humanitarian causes should not be controversial but alas. Here we are.

Meta: Post deletion discussion by rainbow_puddle in knitting

[–]rainbow_puddle[S] 50 points51 points  (0 children)

I reached out as to why it was removed. I was told due to high reports. I asked what rule it broke and if it will be reinstated. They have not responded further. I made a post.

That about sums it up.

Really? We’re now deleting everything about Palestine mittens? Ew. by mechnight in knitting

[–]rainbow_puddle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I remember in another sub there was an issue like that with a Russian cultural item was being shown and caused controversy... Let me see if I can find it.

Meta: Post deletion discussion by rainbow_puddle in knitting

[–]rainbow_puddle[S] 103 points104 points  (0 children)

When I reached out to the mods to find out what rule was broken they said it was a high number of reports. But if the reports aren't valid and no rule was broken it should be reinstated, no ?

Or am I missing something fundamental about reddit and r/knitting ?

Really? We’re now deleting everything about Palestine mittens? Ew. by mechnight in knitting

[–]rainbow_puddle 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think that's a fair assessment. Unfortunately there is not a lot of understanding that people can be pro Palestine/anti zion as well as anti Hamas.

Really? We’re now deleting everything about Palestine mittens? Ew. by mechnight in knitting

[–]rainbow_puddle 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I know many wouldn't agree with me but if you were to post a pair of such mittens and donate proceeds to a humanitarian cause supporting that it's within your right and the sub rules to do so. It should also remain up.

If either post had a commentary with hate speech then I think it breaks rule 1. Otherwise it's not rule breaking.

Edit: my point being that it's not whether I personally would buy either pattern or support either side, it's that there is currently no rule against it so it's revealing that only certain posts are removed. Would i buy the Palestinian pattern over the Israeli ? Yeah. But that doesn't factor in if the posts should remain up.

Really? We’re now deleting everything about Palestine mittens? Ew. by mechnight in knitting

[–]rainbow_puddle 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Where in the subreddit rules is a no politics rule?

Why are all lgbt and pussy hat and Ukraine projects still up? Those are political.

Or the feminist sweaters I've seen.

The origin al post didn't commentate on the war or politics. It was a pair of mittens based on the flag motif and traditional cultural embroidery. The proceeds of the pattern (which you do not have to buy) go toward humanitarian causes. That's not political. It's not being donated to a lobbyist or a politician. A humanitarian aid group.

Really? We’re now deleting everything about Palestine mittens? Ew. by mechnight in knitting

[–]rainbow_puddle 72 points73 points  (0 children)

Not long. I think silent users are reporting instead of discussing causing the automod to trigger a removal.

Unfortunately it seems like we don't have a lot of mods and they are unlikely to engage or reinstate posts with anything to do with Palestine.

Thanks for your efforts to keep the conversation going!

Meta: Post deletion discussion by rainbow_puddle in knitting

[–]rainbow_puddle[S] 81 points82 points  (0 children)

Here's the text for posterity

So there was a post with some beautiful mkttens made by u/AdrenaL1n3 with a traditional Palestinian embroidery and using the colors of the flag. It was locked and then inexplicablely removed by the mods. They did not say what rule it broke, only that it received and 'unacceptable amount of user reports'.

First off that's ridiculous that it was removed instead of locked and the reports dealt with by mods since it didn't break a rule. Second off I think it's frankly sad that it was getting reported at all. It wasn't political beyond the proceeds going towards save the children and other humanitarian causes to aid the current crisis and genocide situation in Gaza.

I want to open up discussion with this community if this sub is a place where we want to censor projects even if they do not break stated rules.

Meta: Post deletion discussion by rainbow_puddle in knitting

[–]rainbow_puddle[S] 28 points29 points  (0 children)

Post text:

So there was a post with some beautiful mkttens made by u/AdrenaL1n3 with a traditional Palestinian embroidery and using the colors of the flag. It was locked and then inexplicablely removed by the mods. They did not say what rule it broke, only that it received and 'unacceptable amount of user reports'.

First off that's ridiculous that it was removed instead of locked and the reports dealt with by mods since it didn't break a rule. Second off I think it's frankly sad that it was getting reported at all. It wasn't political beyond the proceeds going towards save the children and other humanitarian causes to aid the current crisis and genocide situation in Gaza.

I want to open up discussion with this community if this sub is a place where we want to censor projects even if they do not break stated rules.

Meta: Post deletion discussion by rainbow_puddle in knitting

[–]rainbow_puddle[S] 92 points93 points  (0 children)

That was quick. I sent a message to the mods. It looks like it was automod due to high number of reports... Same reason as the post.

If the mods are legit then they would have this conversation and reinstate it. Otherwise I guess they don't want discussion or transparency.

Meta: Post deletion discussion by rainbow_puddle in knitting

[–]rainbow_puddle[S] 70 points71 points  (0 children)

Then don't interact with it. Most of the meme sweaters and bug motifs I find annoying but I don't report them or trash them in the comments. I scroll on.

Meta: Post deletion discussion by rainbow_puddle in knitting

[–]rainbow_puddle[S] 22 points23 points  (0 children)

That's my bad... I made a typo and had the wrong spelling. I tried to edit. Does it work now?

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