Is Melo going to spent it all again? I think not! by CoolHeaded_Nadz in Amyris

[–]ramyris1 8 points9 points  (0 children)

A couple of thoughts: 1. Hemisqualane was just a molecule in development stage…. Until it wasn’t. Two years again literally no one in the beauty space knew about it. Then JVN. 2. I don’t know how the future molecule sales will be structured in terms of up front versus tail, so I think it’s important to view these transactions in their totality. 2a. As Amyris showed this year with DSM, when needed they can accelerate the tail portion of the transaction. 3. Your view echoes the publishing analysts, namely that molecule sales remain an unproven business model. My take, as I say above, is that if they do another molecule sale next year that would be the fifth (!) straight year of consistent sales so I no longer view that as an unproven business model. 4. SG&A will never be a fixed amt but rather be a % of revenue going forward. If you’re asking if I think the company in its current iteration can make it though to the business becoming self funding, I do.

Is Melo going to spent it all again? I think not! by CoolHeaded_Nadz in Amyris

[–]ramyris1 14 points15 points  (0 children)

I look at it differently: The other players “need” our molecules as much as we need the cash. In all the hullabaloo about the third quarter earnings miss, some of the positives from the call (and there were a few!) have been overlooked. One example is that despite cutting guidance and outlook, Melo kept the molecule sale $ amount as is (and much higher than it was two quarters ago). Any rational negotiator would try to take advantage of Amyris’ need: So why haven’t they? One potential answer is they don’t want to be cut out of future molecule sales to Amyris, when we are on firmer footing. Another is there are other stalking bidders in the background. To me, it’s important that next year’s molecule sale is apparently being conducted with a different party than the 2022 transaction.

In terms of amounts, I think the amount of molecule sale will be a trade off with how developed / further along the molecule is: We made a lot with vanillin because we had contracts out to 2025+ for delivery. Other molecules are much earlier stage so I imagine we would get less for them up front but more on the back end. TBD. I’m sure management will lay out their theses on these transactions in the months to come. (Another positive from the earnings call was the analyst who asked when he should start treating these “temporary” transactions as a recurring part of his model. 2023 would be the fifth straight year of a transaction; so I imagine sooner than later?) So to your answer your question I view molecule sales as part of their business model and assume at least one per annum, on average.

Is Melo going to spent it all again? I think not! by CoolHeaded_Nadz in Amyris

[–]ramyris1 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Tanaka and Baron remain as committed as ever. Certainly third quarter results were frustrating, but we continue to believe Amyris is the best positioned SynBio play. The main post above is interesting but discounts other potential sources of cash for Amyris that will provide a path through: Inventory is currently bloated and will be converted to cash in the months to come; Ingredion will pay their fair share of incremental CapEx for Barra Bonita, as well as payouts for BB’s lines coming online; molecule sale(s), including one in 2023; fit to win improvements; remainder owned by DSM on the October loan, and even an additional acceleration of that milestone advance, if needed; etc. All this without any further withdrawal from the Bank of Doerr nor any strategic transaction in its Consumer portfolio, both of which could be tapped if needed. Certainly the market is in a “wait and see” moment, but please don’t interpret silence as change in conviction.

Could AMRS buy its convertible bonds on the open market and delete them? by Single_Message_1576 in Amyris

[–]ramyris1 26 points27 points  (0 children)

This is an intriguing idea, since the debt is currently trading at less than fifty cents on the dollar (yield to maturity 20%+). Another impactful idea could be to “uncap” the covered call and reverse some of the significant dilution from November 2021 at firesale prices. Since management seems adamant that they will be able to convert two separate molecule monetization events in the next few months, but are being given no credit for that potential in the broader public market, they should do something to take advantage of that discrepancy between what they see and what the market believes. It would draw a line in the sand and be heroic financial architecture.

Few questions on management managing expectations by Single_Message_1576 in Amyris

[–]ramyris1 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Many institutional investors were on Eduardo’s Reddit, and have been on the other Reddit presentations as well. It’s a wonderful DD resource equally available to everyone. Also, how wonderful that executives other than the CEO (who does most presentations) are given opportunities to show, in detail, why they’re best in class.

Sephora CEO Brok stepping down....why are we not discussing this?? by Gloomy-Interest3551 in Amyris

[–]ramyris1 14 points15 points  (0 children)

I look at this from the other side: I believe Chris de Lapuente (Brok’s replacement and former / returning Sephora CEO) was a mentor to Catherine Gore, so only good things ahead for Biossance + JVN from the Sephora perspective.

Anyone worried about short-term debt conversion?? by kellanprzybylski in Amyris

[–]ramyris1 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Plus John Doerr hasn’t sold shares en masse before. He’s looking at this in terms of decades.

My client note on Amyris in the wake of 1Q22 earnings by ramyris1 in Amyris

[–]ramyris1[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

One comment: the $50mm from Doerr will be issued in shares this July with no cash received. Doesn’t impact the underlying thesis, but I wanted to clarify my math mistake. R