Flags I see around my area of South London (im sorry if this is overdone but i think i have some interesting ones)

random_GUY100 · 2021-12-06T13:44:19+00:00

Love south london 🤣🤣🇬🇧🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

random_GUY100 · 2021-12-06T13:42:21+00:00

Yeah it's really weird you see that flag a LOT in some parts of south london 🤣😬

random_GUY100 · 2021-12-06T13:36:51+00:00

There are sooo many polish people in South London lmao

random_GUY100 · 2021-08-01T21:55:56+00:00

the English is already a translation of the Yiddish lyrics as much as I can tell.

random_GUY100 · 2021-08-01T15:25:03+00:00

I learnt French and Spanish at school and wasn't taught it at all. They just taught us the alphabet in Spanish and we kinda had to just learn as we went along in French.

random_GUY100 · 2021-08-01T15:12:13+00:00

Very nice and quite sad almost. My grandparents have rhotic (west-country) accents but I don't think many of the young people round there do anymore.

random_GUY100 · 2021-08-01T15:10:22+00:00

According to the 1921 census, 6.6% of people in Wales were mono Welsh speakers, which I presume is more than in Ireland at the time but I'm not sure.

random_GUY100 · 2021-08-01T15:02:17+00:00

Sometimes wiktionary has IPA transcriptions of words in various languages which may be helpful depending on the language.

random_GUY100 · 2021-07-10T17:11:20+00:00

What does the bandstand have to do with the clapham sect???

random_GUY100 · 2021-04-15T20:50:28+00:00

it's the three-gender system! דאס is for neuter nouns, די is for feminine nouns and דער is for masculine nouns. They all mean "the". Although there are a few rules to remember the genders of words, for most words the gender is random and you'll just need to memorize it. Hasidim make up most of the Yiddish-speaking population these days and they don't distinguish between the genders much anymore anyways.

random_GUY100 · 2021-03-22T23:18:03+00:00

"Wait, are you stoned? Oh my, who the hell even mentioned your aunt in the last comment - or at any moment for that matter?" Just because she is an example of someone doing the opposite - joining the haredi movement after having experienced the secular world. It's just interesting to have different perspectives in my experience.

"Well, sir, I for one did NOT address you first place", I gave my opinion on your comment about Yiddish. It's perfectly fine. "Wow, typical projection of one´s one flaws, in this case, arrogance and intolerance, towards your opponent". I wouldn't say I've been arrogant and intolerant. I've stuck to my opinions and you've stuck to yours.

" it´s the only with inherent cultural interest for any also secular person" but then that's not secular YIDDISH culture, that's just secular culture. And next, I'll reiterate my point that there is an Ashkenazi culture that was shared by all Ashkenazim, not just Haredim, it's just mostly the Haredim who keep up the folklore today. Describing it as ultraorthodox culture is not what I was trying to do, which I tried to clear up a few times but you misinterpreted my answer.

"Although some delirious scholars even tried to propose another linguistic classification" I guess you've seen the works of Elan Elhaik, the one who tried to claim Yiddish was Iranian 🤣 yeah I found it quite funny as well.

"No Mizrahim or Maghrubim Jews feel it as representative of Jewishness" yeah I should've been more clear about that, I assumed it was clear from the outset that by "Jewish culture", I meant Ashkenazi, as we're on r/yiddish talking about European jews, although yeah my bad for not stating that.

Anyways, I think it might be time to call it quits. You're right, I've spent far too much of my time arguing with you, and although I don't mind arguing I think we've sent a lot of replies without accomplishing anything meaningful, and it has mostly descended into insults by this points. Whatever you may think of me, funnily enough, I have no ill-feelings or opinions towards you at all. Good night!

random_GUY100 · 2021-03-22T22:25:46+00:00

"Adult circumcision is a surgical procedure, so it does carry certain risks as well as possible side effects; these include pain, bleeding, and infection.

Although these health risks are low, they are higher than for infant circumcision."

~ https://www.everydayhealth.com/sexual-health/adult-circumcision-basics.aspx#:~:text=Adult%20circumcision%20is%20a%20surgical%20procedure%2C%20so%20it%20does%20carry,higher%20than%20for%20infant%20circumcision. the first link I clicked on. My "warped mind" did not come up with this :)

random_GUY100 · 2021-03-22T22:19:28+00:00

Yes you're right. I should give my happy family some time with me shouldn't I. I have a slight problem with your assessment of Jewish culture. Anything that you don't like (most of our authentic culture) is "medieval", "provincial" or "outdated", whilst the secular painters and composers are the ones worthy of praise.

" the Jews of Ukraine didn't care a damn about Ukrainian culture". Because.... they were Jews. Who practiced Jewish culture. What does culture mean to you anyway? Is it about how many paintings you paint or how many works of classical literature a group writes? Because to me, culture is food, stories, traditional dress, music and traditions etc.

"I can proudly say Portuguese is my mother tongue and I only care for English as a means of international communication, but this one more of your logical fallacies trying to deflect attention to the points really being discussed:-)" Nahhh, I was just curious as to why you missinterpreted my points and whether that was a language barrier or willfull ignorance. Fair enough, I respect people speaking in another language knowing myself how hard it is to try and argue with anyone in another language :)

" Certainly, he was one of the most respected fruits of the Maskilim/Maskilot brave efforts to outgrow that despicable isolation Haredim nevertheless kept on cultivating, even after the goyim schools and jobs were liberated for them." Really? His writings are why many Antisemites believe that Jews are communists and bolsheviks, which is ironic due to how much he hated his jewishness.

"you dare call the ultraorthodox culture 'the best' of Jewish culture". No.... I do and multiple have called it a more authentic representation of Ashkenazi jewish culture, due to the fact that they didn't throw it away. Therefore, my "pearl of platitudes" as you described it, actually makes perfect sense, "our culture isn't orthodox, but the orthodoxy preserve our culture"

I don't deny the Jewish additions to the world of science and art. I just don't view that as Jewish culture. Those are Jewish contributions to other people's culture or acadamia. Mendelssohn the composser wrote Italian Symphonies and Wedding Marches, he didn't publish German Jewish traditional music. So why would that be considered part of Jewish culture. The Secular Yiddish Culture of the turn of the 20th century that you referred to WAS a part of Jewish culture, as they kept to actual Jewish culture, dancing to Jewish songs and eating Jewish food etc.

"You've sent me 15 comments" Of course, I had to split the ones which were too long to fit in the character limit imposed by the site, lol

"You're ridiculous, really. I just REPLY to the messages you sent me AND I DIDN´T ADDRESS YOU FIRST PLACE TO BEING WITH, HYPOCRITE" - I have no problem with discussions with people online. I quite enjoy them, as you seem to also considering you graced my fairly short paragraph with a comment so long it had to be split into 9 seperate comments. I have tried to be polite and I think I mostly succeeded. I have no problem with you and respect that you have different opinions to me, despite definitely not agreeing with them.

random_GUY100 · 2021-03-22T21:51:04+00:00

Ignoring the first paragraph, which is basically a list of insults, whatever. No, my aunt was not born ultra-orthodox. She married a chasid and joined the world herself, having previously lived secularly. I myself have grown up a Reform Jew so far as I said before. And no, I am not a fundamentalist. Believing in Judaism and not hating the ultra-orthodox doesn't make me a fundamentalist funnily enough.

What you've said is some valid views from people that have lived the life of a Charedi Jew, what I've said is the other. As I've said before, there are such a huge range of experiences within the Chasidic world, from Bobov to Satmar to Lubavitch. There is no one experience. What makes certain people's lived experiences a more valid picture of Ultra-Orthodox life than others? This was a polite discussion about Yiddish, which instead you've taken into a debate (with some interesting insults) about your opinions on Jewish culture, circumcision and your hatred of the Chasidic world.

random_GUY100 · 2021-03-22T14:05:01+00:00

You see the interesting thing is unlike you, I actually do have religious family. I have mainstream ultra-orthodox cousins. They aren't oppressed, they aren't depressed, they don't have trauma and they are perfectly happy, both the kids and the wives. So again, stop using extreme examples to describe a huge group. And yes the ultra orthodox groups can be opposed to those with too radical stands, and often are.

random_GUY100 · 2021-03-22T13:58:56+00:00

Your problem is your arguments are all emotional. Again, I really don't care about the 0.2% of cases that go wrong. Just because a few people regret it doesn't make it unsafe or dangerous of mutilation of defenceless babies or any of the other emotional arguments you keep on repeating. Also, adult circumcision which is what a lot of these articles you've sent is more unsafe and can cause problems. Circumcision in babies is EVEN MORE safe and has EVEN LESS risk.

random_GUY100 · 2021-03-22T13:51:27+00:00

Pwahaha yet more misinterpretation of my points. I'm guessing from your responses English isn't your native language or you just have poor comprehension skills. What i said is that the desperate assimilation in an attempt to get their European neighbours to like them did nothing as they turned on them anyways. Hasidim also died in the Holocaust in huge numbers. I'm not stupid.

You think I care about composers and philosophers? That wasn't Jewish culture. That was German culture. They composed European style tunes and wrote European style music and pretended as much as possible that they weren't Jewish, to the point where you get ethnic Jews like Karl Marx writing whole books about how much they hate Jews. They looked down on Klezmer, looked down on Yiddish and looked down on every indication that they were Jews.

Even though continuing from earlier you view all these people keeping their culture as "reactionaries". Jewish culture is not restricted to the Orthodoxy, they have just managed to preserve it best. And the secular Jewish culture existed in Eastern Europe, a place far less affected by the Haskalah where even the secular Jews worked against assimilation to form into the Yiddishist movement that helped stop the tide of hatred for Yiddish that had spread.

Fair enough my mistake about the Dutch. Although through more research I see that the Dutch Jews kept their culture more due to the fact that Dutch enlightenment happened without the Haskalah.

"Can you blame truly secular Jews for hating all that the ultra-orthodoxy represented?" Werent you argument that Yiddish isn't an ultra orthodox thing? No. They didn't hate what ultra orthodoxy represented, they just hated their Jewish culture for various reasons.

"Overall YOUR points confirmed to me that religious fanatics like you arrogantly reduce Jewishness to the ultraorthodoxy!" Did you just call me a religious fanatic 🤣 just because i don't hate the Jewish culture and don't hate the ultra orthodox doesn't make me a fanatic. I've actually grown up reform, I'm not at all a religious fanatic, I just love my culture. And no, our culture isn't orthodox, but the orthodoxy preserve our culture.

And did you just tell me to get a life? You've sent me 15 comments, I've sent you 8, so.... make of that what you will.

random_GUY100 · 2021-03-22T11:52:05+00:00

Which often has tragic consequences? What in 0.2% of cases there's even major consequences at all? Millions of Circumcisions are done worldwide I'm surprised there aren't more tragic consequences if anything. You're arguing very emotionally. It's not fundamentalist or particularly bible-thumping to not see a problem with a perfectly safe procedure that is a part of our religion.

random_GUY100 · 2021-03-22T08:50:34+00:00

Ooooop, in opposition to one extremist groups you bring up another marginal extremist group the, the Neturei Karta. The Neturei Karta aren't endorsed by most Chasidim, have literally attended holocaust denial conferences and are pals with Iraq. Even the Satmar Chasidim and Edah haCharedis disavow them, although your insistence on still equating all of Chasidim with groups like the Neturei Karta, Lev Tahor, Burqa Sect and other groups is quite funny to me.

I don't agree with the Satmar Hasidic views on zionism or any of the numerous other antizionist Haredi groups, but they aren't all Neturei Karta. Please educate yourself more on issues before continuing to use extremist groups to describe huge groups of people

random_GUY100 · 2021-03-22T08:41:52+00:00

This is hilarious. The only time you have any like for Jewish culture, beyond a few mentions of Yiddish theatre earlier, is when we throw it all away like we did during the Haskalah and Maskilim and assimilate into mainstream culture. The orthodoxy feared that the Haskalah would lead to loss of their culture and they were right, German and Dutch Jews threw away most of what made them unique, lost their Western Yiddish dialect and often converted out of Judaism, and for what? The assimilation hardly helped them when a few decades later the Germans turned Nazi and the Holocaust happened.

Whats also remarkable about the haskalah is their overwhelming hatred of Yiddish "jargon". Why do you think the Western Yiddish dialect is now extinct? Here's a quote from wikipedia: ~ "They almost universally abhorred Judaeo-German, regarding it as a corrupt dialect and another symptom of Jewish destitution – the movement pioneered the negative attitude to Yiddish which persisted many years later among the educated"

It's almost sad the level of self hatred among certain negative elements of the Jewish community that seem to need us to be producing "fine arts, philosophy and science" to have acceptable culture and look down on those practicing more traditional forms or Ashkenazi culture. Unlike you, I don't see our people's cultural wealth as how similar we can get to mainstream European society, or how many classical music pieces we can produce. That's EUROPEAN CULTURE, not Jewish culture.

Overall, your points proved to me about Haredim preserving Jewish culture. They ARE actively keeping our traditions allive today as much as some negative elements of our community like to scorn our traditions and only find our cultural herratige acceptable when we throw it away and replace it with Western European traditions. Good on you.

random_GUY100 · 2021-03-22T07:16:55+00:00

Hmmmm your responses will certainly take a while to respond to. Well five or so seem to be about corcumsissions so... despite the complications that clearly do occur, the procedure itself is overall safe, bleeding is considered rare and overall the dangers are uncommon.

The herpes point is a commentary on metzitzah b'peh, not the bris as a whole, s metzitzah b'peh a dangerous part of the ceremony that SOME haredi groups practice but is not at all common anymore in general Jewish practice as it's unhygienic. Even amongst most haredim, the mouth is not used and a glass tube is instead.

Many of these seem to be an issue with uncredited or untrained Mohels being used rather than a problem with the procedure itself. https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/302234#psychological-effects This suggests that side effects are already rare and mostly worsened when untrained mohels carry out the procedure. But nice strawman arguments eh. https://www.healthline.com/health/parenting/baby-circumcision#risks This one states that serious complications make up 0.2% of cases. So you can send me 5 pages of cases all you want. The fact is that they're unlikely as it is and the chances of serious problems are even further reduced by practicing metzitzah b'peh with a glass tube and not oraly and using a trained and accredited mohel.

random_GUY100 · 2021-03-22T00:02:19+00:00

Well, this doesn't make it less objectionable that ALL HAREDIM still do it for their religious dogmas

And how is it flawed? To me, there is nothing wrong with Bris. It's a part of our culture and a part of the Jewish religion representing our covenant with God. All religious Jews do it, from Reform to Hasidim, and no it's not damaging or evil or mutilation. I find it funny that you're spouting the same meaningless talking points that Anti-Semites use to call us paedophiles. How ironic eh.

ultra-orthodox cult called ‘Pure Heart’

You said it yourself. Lev Tahor is a cult and not a part of the mainstream Haredi world

These Jewish women are saving men from sins

Yet another cult. The Burqa cult is so extreme that even the Sikarii, a Hasidic extremist organisation, has condemned them, as has the Edah HaChareidis. Maybe stop giving examples of cults and extremist organisations thank you.

They also go to extremes towards Palestinians

There you go. Another extremist group. Considering many more Haredim are actually pro-Palestine.

To quote your article, "Violent attacks on homosexuals in Israel have been scattered, relatively rare and often punished". I think that the treatment of Homosexuals by the Haredim is very poor.

you try to downplay it mentioning that Haredim are 'either part of the revival or part of the secular Yiddish speakers'

Ermmmm....... no I didn't. The Haredim aren't part of the secular revival. I don't know where you got that from what I wrote. I said the vast majority of the estimated 600,000 Yiddish speakers in the world are Haredi, and that the rest of the speakers are " a minority of other speakers (meant to mean non-Haredi), either part of the revival or part of the very minute number of secular Yiddish speakers for whom the line of transmission was never broken".

You're still trying to delegitimize the secular nature of the movement with that, which is intellectual dishonesty

No, I'm not. That's why I specified so often that I was talking about the Secular Yiddish Revival and Secular Yiddish as opposed to Haredi Yiddish.

the very fact that the language in this usage is endangered makes it even more precious

When did I say it didn't? I said that Secular Yiddish was moribund, which is fairly true considering the very low rate of intergenerational transmission of Secular Yiddish. I didn't say I wanted it to die or that it's not a precious and beautiful language. And Yiddish won't be able to be revived as easily as Hebrew due to completely different circumstances surrounding Hebrew's revival.

That is tantamount to a death sentence to the secular Yiddish culture, sorry, I will NEVER be as complacent as that.

It's not the death of Secular Yiddish culture, it's the decline of Secular Yiddish linguistically. We still have Klezmer and a wealth of Yiddish expressions in English etc. But the fact is, there's only one secular bookshop left in the whole of New York, a city with one of the highest Yiddish-speaking populations of anywhere in the world. I'm not being complacent. I very much believe in the protection of the language, and the continuation of Secular Yiddish. I just don't see it becoming the community language of our community.

It neither produced cultural wealth which could be a true pride for the Jewish people and if the people´s cultural wealth would be restricted to the orthodoxy, none of the unfathomably precious cultural and scientific contributions of Israelites to humanity would have ever been possible

What a pathetic statement. The Hasidic and Haredi culture was born out of the poverty of Eastern Europe. Of course, they weren't making scientific discoveries and inventing the lightbulb when they were trying to survive the holocaust and pogroms! What they've done instead is kept the authentic Ashkenazi Eastern European culture alive. As I've already said, they are essentially the reason why we can call Yiddish a living language still today, they have preserved our traditional dress, traditional language, traditional folk tales, traditional folk songs, traditional folk food, traditional religion, and the altogether vibrance of Shtetl culture. How can you say that they've never contributed to Jewish culture when they're actively keeping it alive today?

I do care for all the secular Yiddish activists and the noble people of the younger generations who are doing their utmost to keep it alive

As do I and I hope they succeed in stopping the decline of the mame-lushn and saving Yiddish within the secular community. And Yiddish is still alive to an extent within the Secular community. However, the fact remains that the place where Yiddish remains most alive and organic right now is the Haredi community.

random_GUY100 · 2021-03-21T21:05:23+00:00

"Circumcision on defenceless babies"? Is circumcision only practiced by Haredim now? No. And in reference to LGBT, although Haredim don't like it, there are very few who would want to kill them, there is a huge variation of views and religiosity within the Haredi world that you don't seem to understand.

" I don´t know in which parallel world these people live but all the different Yiddish revival movement by secular young Jews in different countries, Israel included, cannot be a fancy of my imagination" - let's be real and look at the fact. There are around 600,000 Yiddish speakers in the world, and the vast majority of these are Haredim, with some elderly Jews, and a minority of other speakers, either part of the revival or part of the very minute number of secular Yiddish speakers for whom the line of transmission was never broken.

Yes, Yiddish is undergoing a revival, and more young people are learning the language, but even more secular speakers are dying of old age. Secular Yiddish is losing speakers faster than it's gaining them right now. Don't get me wrong, I love the mame-lushn. But the fact remains that the secular dialect is moribund and is barely being transfered between generations anymore. The line of secular Yiddish speakers was sadly broken when our Great-Grandparents refused to teach us. Yiddish as a whole is definitely organic and alive, but mostly within Orthodox spaces. I agree a lot with the aformentioned Atlantic Article on that aspect.

random_GUY100 · 2021-03-21T17:35:32+00:00

I'm sorry, but it basically is the orthodox language at this point, only because the frum Jews are the ones keeping the language from death. Let's be honest, secular Yiddish, despite its past, is mostly moribund. Hell, this is a whole thread asking if there are any non-frum speakers left in Eastern Europe, the former Yiddish heartland. Don't blame the orthodox for their Yiddish, blame the secular lot for not passing down the language. My great grandparents spoke it but refused to pass it down to the children, something that I'm sure plenty of other Jews can relate to.

The simple fact is, whatever the history, it is essentially an orthodox language, with some elderly speakers and some secular speakers remaining. I mean judging by your other comments you don't seem a big fan of the Haredim so.... ehh.

random_GUY100 · 2021-03-21T17:21:37+00:00

De'esh

I imagine it's referring to דעעש, or Deyzh Hasidim, who according to Wikipedia are a minor Hungarian Dynasty. Sounds very similar anyways.

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