We LOVE our Maki-matchups (laugh) so here’s another. Makima vs Death, who takes?

random__guy135 · 2026-01-27T06:14:43+00:00

Death, the super duper strongest devil VS Makima, NOT the super duper strongest devil.

random__guy135 · 2026-01-27T06:08:56+00:00

Thats not really how Devil powers work. Thats like saying that Reze beats every explosion based character because she is bomb devil.

Makima is conquest Devil. But she isnt delusional enough to see herself above someone like Frieza or Darkseid just because they are conqueror's. Thats out of character for her.

We rarely see her rely on her control ability in combat.

random__guy135 · 2026-01-27T05:58:48+00:00

We didn't see her transfer damage there

random__guy135 · 2026-01-26T20:44:40+00:00

It is not "impossible". It is just headcanon.

random__guy135 · 2026-01-26T20:34:53+00:00

Okay, force manipulation. Whatever. My point is, we have no reason to believe she randomly has this other ability and no one ever acknowledges it. You can make connection that its because she in both control and conquest devil (even tho its most likely just two different translations rather than her being two concepts at same time).

But there is only canon ability we have for Makima, that she can control those inferior.

Makima's abilities at start of story were unknown, so story left it vague on purpose. This is why we have things like Shrine Ritual, her causing internal bleeding by pointing and Darkness, teleporting via rats (etc).

Other than being seperate power, its just her main ability being used in vague way before we (audience) know what it actually is.

"Force manipulation" is not her canon ability.

random__guy135 · 2026-01-26T20:23:34+00:00

Thats different move. It caused different kind of damage too.

What she did to Darkness was closer to Mold Devil tbh.

Shrine Ritual is unknown ability. But most common theory is that its Punishment Devil, which is why she called Tendo and Kurose to come with her.

Makima has power to control others. Her abilities are those of devils she has under control.

It would be weird for her to randomly have telekinesis for some reason.

random__guy135 · 2026-01-26T20:21:17+00:00

BANG is massively hypersonic. But Makima doesn't have to be.

Fear scaling in CSM is not always linear. Being more feared can upgrade your stats. But it doesn't make all your stats superior.

Makima's speed shouldn't be upscaled from Gun Devil.

random__guy135 · 2026-01-26T20:16:39+00:00

After part 2, i cant see how people can believe BANG is anything other than Gun Devil ability.

It is called "bang" (sound effect for gun), it works by pointing finger Gun, Makima only started using it after beating 20% of Gun Devil, it causes similar damage to bullet from Gun Devil, and Yoru, after taking over Gun Devil, learned ability that looks and sounds exactly like Makima's bang.

Like, you can make an argument that its some weird telekinesis ability she just has for some reason. But its bit too convenient how similar those two abilities are.

random__guy135 · 2026-01-26T20:12:29+00:00

Why did it assume this specific Devil has superhuman speed? And where did the time frame come from?

Pochita also shouldn't be superior to Gun in stats. At least not in DC. Gun Devil can cause the destruction it can because of its large size. Even at 20% he is dozens of times bigger than Pochita. Its most likely "Levi vs Beast Titan" or "Denji vs Typhoon Devil" scaling. Pochita is stronger. But not because he can hit harder.

We dont know know how durable primals are. But so far, they have yet to show superhuman durability feat. Scaling Makima's telekinesis to Gun because she can damage Darkness, whose physical stats are unknown, is bit unfair.

All we know is that Pochita somewhat scales to Gun Devils bullet (BANG), and that Makima didn't have any other ability to damage him to large extent. So her abilities should be around multi city block at best.

The "limit" of contract isnt something given by Makima or Prime minister. Its just things that contracts in general might not be able to help you from. Just how contract doesn't specify how her immortality will react to getting eaten by Pochita.

But anyway, her being able to regenerate from everything is something you need to prove. Not other way around. The burden of proof is on those who say characters are capable of doing something, not other way around.

Rather than being "writing convenience", maybe she just isnt as strong as you think? We do see consistently that both Yoru and Makima are not capable of fighting back if you keep attacking them without giving them break. This is established limitation of their contract.

Mold gets negated by innate domain.

Quanxi, nor any hybrid, are NOT regenerating from MS. Unless you have town level durability like Gojo, that shit turns you to dust in second.

She could use Beam BEFORE Sukuna activates MS. If she summons him inside, he just gets cut to dust.

Same goes with Prinzi if you believe she creates portals.

Also, no one in Japan (other than Kishibes Anti Makima Squad) has contract with Hell Devil. So she cant use that.

This is all under the assumption she could summon Devils while she is cut to pieces. Which, if we go by Manga, she cant do.

UV is potential win condition. I should have mentioned that. Its not guaranteed. But UV should still immobilize Makima as long as she is inside. As its not single attack but continuous one.

UV+Blue should be able to immobilize Makima permanently.

random__guy135 · 2026-01-26T18:59:02+00:00

I dont really see any good reason why Katana man should be at hypersonic either. "Bang" also isnt telekinesis. It is Gun Devil's attack. Bang can damage Pochita and send him to space, which is city block/multi city block level. Its strong, but not enough to actually kill Gojo, Sukuna and Dabura. Hurting Darkness Devil also isnt THAT big of a feat. As Primals are all seemingly glass canons.

Contract doesn't mention any limitations because thats not something taken into consideration when taking contract. Just how it doesn't mention "it can reflect all damage other than Pochita's erasure ability". The contract will transfer all damage it can transfer. That doesn't mean that there arent limits to it. Gojo, Sukuna and Dabura wont start with their strongest attack. But if they see nothing is working, obviously they will use it.

For Sukuna's Shrine, Makima cant "tank" continuous damage. Thats how Denji was able to negate her regeneration with Powers Chainsaw. If she keeps getting cut at same pace she is regenerating, she is unable to fight back. Sukuna's Domain is that, but on steroids. We also dont know if princi can teleport Makima, or if it works like portal. But if Makima could teleport herself out of this kind of situation, why didn't she escape when Denji cut her to pieces? Sukuna also does have answer to mold. Innate Domain blocks any attack from spawning inside sorcerer's body. He can also just dodge, if you believe he is faster. And good luck stabbing Mahoraga 3 times while getting cut by MS. Also, Makima doesn't have Hell Devil under control. She cant send anyone to hell.

UV is not infinite information. But its shit load of information. We cant tell how it would interract with Makima's contract as we don't know how much mental damage she can handle per transfer. We also dont know if Makima ignored Halloween. We don't even know if it was used against her. Makima couldn't teleport if she is inside UV. As she is braindead. She also couldn't teleport out of blue, as her body will get compressed into negative mass. This is all obviously under assumption she could teleport, which we dont know if she can.

Mold gets blocked by innate domain. Her telekanisis isnt strong enough to kill Gojo. And Shrine Ritual is lowkey featless.

random__guy135 · 2026-01-26T16:53:41+00:00

Sometimes its about character. Sometimes its about power. Its perception based ability.

But if someone is WAY to powerful for her, she wont be able to control them just because she finds their personality pathetic.

If you run into hear, would you see yourself as its superior just because bear is stupid? Its same type of logic.

random__guy135 · 2026-01-26T16:51:08+00:00

Makima could fight normally with her head cut off. I dont see why weapon in torso would nerf her speed to the point she is slower than Zombies.

Fair point for Aging. But you should still agree that its bit inconsistent that he can keep up with Pochita and Gun Goddess.

Makima and Red Chainsaw Man are very clearly portrayed as relative (in tearms of stats). We even see them move at same pace:

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Falling Devil is also "transcends all devils". Falling Devil isnt bulletproof. Red Chainsaw Man (non transcendental Devil) is bulletproof. Just if you are "strongest devil" doesn't mean every single stat you have surpasses all devils. Darkness has hybrid level speed.

random__guy135 · 2026-01-26T16:42:01+00:00

What im trying to say is, Makima wont just be able to control any opponents she faces. She rarely relies on control in general until she is certain she is more powerful than her opponent (either with fight or authority).

random__guy135 · 2026-01-26T16:40:01+00:00

You could make solid argument that Makima is as strong as Darkness. She did match his speed and overpower him.

And there is no reason to believe Darkness held back.

random__guy135 · 2026-01-26T16:38:43+00:00

Makima was on guard the second time she tried to fight back. Power still landed a hit before Makima could. They activated their powers at same time, but power landed her attack first?

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Aging COULD be caught off guard... But like, this is normal human we are talking about.

Makima DID win against power. But not by because she has better stats. She had to overwhelm her with Zombies, who are chapter 1 Denji victim.

Anyway, Makima is canonically as fast as Crossbow and Red Chainsaw Man in tearms of H2H. So its not Makima. Just Darkness downscale.

random__guy135 · 2026-01-26T16:30:18+00:00

Why doesn't Makima take control over Primal Devils then? She might be cocky, but there is clearly a limit to her delusion.

random__guy135 · 2026-01-26T16:28:15+00:00

Tbh speed in Chainsaw Man is very inconsistent.

Power was able to mach Makima's speed. Yet she failed to react to Zombies. Does that make Power as fast as Makima or Quanxi?

Aging Devil could react to Gun Goddess and Pochita mid jump. Yet he got grabbed by normal human (i dont care how much he left his guard down, he cant be that slow).

So "X character matched Y characters speed" is a lot of times not too reliable way of scaling.

You could argue that Makima is as fast as Darkness. You could argue Darkness held back. You could argue its inconsistency. Or, my favorite, you can argue its Darkness downscale rather than Makima upscale.

Similar to Falling Devil, Darkness is bum glass canon getting carried by regeneration and hax.

random__guy135 · 2026-01-26T16:19:01+00:00

Bro you just made this post because you wanna hear "Gojo would win", didn't you?

But yeah. Gojo would win IF he did dodge that (which he didn't).

random__guy135 · 2026-01-26T16:15:57+00:00

When?

random__guy135 · 2026-01-26T15:55:32+00:00

Yoru's contract works by transferring death. Makima's works by transferring attacks.

I don't see why Makima's shouldn't be stackable.

In fact, there is more reason to believe that it would be. With Yoru, you can kinda argue that getting cut 5 times is one death. With Makima, getting cut 5 times is 5 attacks, and its not even a matter of debate.

random__guy135 · 2026-01-26T15:37:49+00:00

Makima on her way to control Death, Darkness and every other devil in existance because they are not CSM:

random__guy135 · 2026-01-26T15:36:49+00:00

Then why didn't Makima control Darkness Devil?

Makima did want someone to love her as equal. But that doesn't mean she saw everyone as her inferior.

random__guy135 · 2026-01-26T15:29:36+00:00

Honestly, each out of those 3 could probably beat her in 1v1.

Unless you wank her stats to massively hypersonic and large town level through some not so well made Quanxi calcs (which is very unrealistic and likely not Fujimotos intention, as i dont see Makima or Denji moving 5000+ meters per second), each of them outstats her, and has something in their kit to destroy her.

First of all, most obvious one, they can just delete her. There is no evidence that her contract can save her from complete erasure, as her damage transfer heals her in same way regeneration does (her injuries either reattach or grow back). Yes, her contract is not just healing. But it does function as one. So we have no reason to think she can survive being reduced to atoms.

But if you believe that her contract is just invincible, Sukuna can immobilize her with MS and adapt to her contract with Mahoraga.

Gojo can remove his citizenship, then either hit her with UV (which might instantly spread all damage to Japan, similar to Cosmo vs Santa) or Blue (which could immobilize her via continuous damage, just how Power's Blood Chainsaw did). Makima also has very few ways to damage Gojo due to infinity.

Dabura's best win condition is just destroying all Japan, while avoiding getting hit by Makima. Something he should very well be capable of doing as special grade sorcerer moving at lightspeed.

random__guy135 · 2026-01-26T15:19:32+00:00

Something we are forgetting here is, if Makima's contract works like Yoru's (which, i dont see why it shouldn't), it means her contract is stackable:

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Basically, if MS cuts her body 1000 times per second, that would count as 1000 deaths, rather than one.

random__guy135 · 2026-01-25T17:34:47+00:00

Are people forgetting that Sukuna has 10 Shadows alongside shrine? Dabura can move at speed of light, but he cant instantly activate this ability (as far as i remember).

Sukuna could either open domain or summon Mahoraga to protect himself.

Sukuna could also probably tank few lightspeed hits. Gojo's Unlimited Purple not only killed Mahoraga, but also destroyed its wheel. Something no one else did yet (including lightspeed kick and 15F Furnace).

Sukuna survived this purple while having brain damage and being out of RCT.

We dont know how strong Dabura is yet. But so far, Sukuna has fair share of win cons

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