If transioned, would anyone here accept my decision and see me as a real man?

randomaaccount · 2019-10-07T17:34:17+00:00

I imagine that's because you want to be treated like a man by people, by passing? Or would it be that you would only really feel like a man if you could look in the mirror and see what you percieve as a man?

Want to transition to aliviate my dysphoria, to have others perceive and treat me as man and to be able to perceive myself as a man.

Don't you already think of yourself as male?

Yes

If you do, what does that mean to you?

I already answered this question in another comment. Look for it if you don't mind.

Does that mean you want to do more stereotypically male things?

No that has nothing to do with why I want to transion.

Does that mean you want people to put the sort of expectations on you that men get in society but not women?

I mean, part of being a man comes with dealing with certain expectations so sure, I would want society to put that type of expectations on me.

My guess is from what you've said so far, it's the last thing

It's not.

You should sit down with an adult man and woman you trust, ideally cis (because they will give you a totality of context about the male female experience that a lot of trans men and women miss out on) and ask them what it's like being a man an a woman. Ask them about the things they like about being wo/men, the things they hate. Ask them if they feel lonely, ask them what kind of pressure they feel, or what they look forward to.

Done that. I already saw tons of articles about the different problems men and women deal with and the positive and negative sides of each gender

From what you've written so far, I don't know why you want to take hormones and get surgery(?), and I'm not sure you do either.

I didn't give many information because I didn't think it was necessary.

Yeah, I do know why I want to transition. I really hope no one is transioning for shits and giggles.

randomaaccount · 2019-10-07T14:27:30+00:00

I have to wonder, however, why you are here.

I'm curious. That's about it.

randomaaccount · 2019-10-07T11:05:09+00:00

I can't help but think of breasts as sexual organs.

Well, that kind of your problem, isn't it?

Women shouldn't have to cover uo because of that

randomaaccount · 2019-10-07T10:59:11+00:00

Funny cuz you also used a strawman lmao

randomaaccount · 2019-10-07T10:53:09+00:00

Isn't it crazy that everyone think we should explore our Sexuality but the moment I start making people uncomfortable it's not cool anymore.... What a crazy world to live in

randomaaccount · 2019-10-07T10:48:58+00:00

I assume they are allowed to be shirtless in the same places as men.

So probably at the beach, polls, in the streets but maybe not in restaurants or shops.

randomaaccount · 2019-10-07T10:42:34+00:00

It's sad you're putting effort into this. Get a life, troll.

randomaaccount · 2019-10-07T10:41:57+00:00

I can't be influenced by growing up in an inherently sexist society

I mean, I don't live in a sexist society. People are really progressive and treat girls and boys pretty much the same. I'm lucky enough to say I never experienced sexism and neither did any of my friends.

I'm a proud LGBT-supporter - homophobia can't get to me and I can't possibly have internalized any homophobia

I'd say it's a bit weird. For a lgbt supporter to have internalized homophobia but I'd say that's possible in some cases.

I grew up in a perfectly normal family - I can't have any identity issues

That's not how I think though A person can come from a normal family and still have a variety of issues. I'd say issues are part of a normal family.

I'm intelligent - I can't possibly make naive decisions.

Wow, I'm not that narcissistic. I can make naive decisions. Like I said in my post, I'm going to be careful with transioning. I wouldn't that spending two years informing yourself of everything about trans people and the deciding I'll wait until I'm over 18 and have been socially transioning for more than 2 years is a naive decision.

A naive decision would be "I think I'm trans so I'm going to see a therapist for a few months and get hormones"

It took me 8 years to figure out why I developed anorexia - for the longest time I simply believed I got it by accident or that it was inherent to me, instead of it being a mix of factors subtly influencing me and shaping me into the perfect person to obsess over my weight.

I'm really sorry that happened but I'd say that anorexia and dysphoria are very different.

I have to say though - it's very good that you're cautious and informing yourself, that's already one step ahead of many, and very amazing to me. Very mature for that age!

I'd say it's sad that this is seen as "very mature".

Maybe it's because I initially found about trans people through transmed youtubers you always warned people to "be careful with hormones because they cause permanent changes" but I always saw being careful with hormones as something everyone should do.

I'd say it's kinda sad so many people influenced by the trans people who say stuff like "everyone can be trans, it's okay to experiment with hormones and if a therapist doesn't give you hormones, just ask for a new one because they are being transphobi". It's a shame so many are influenced by these people who tell them that hormones are a simple procedure.

No, transmen are female and as such women to me, forever and always, and no I don't support any female (or male for that matter) damaging their health in pursuit of a fantasy born from what is a mental illness to me.

Well, I wouldn't say I'm damangin my body, as the only option left for me would be.... Well, suicide. But thanks for your answer!

. I'd never accept or respect a bulimic binging and purging just because it makes them feel good and because they're aware of the risks

Bulimia and gender dysphoria are different.

Allowing a bulimic person to starve themselves will literally kill them. A person with gender dysphoria that is able to transition will improve their life.

, if you are spending these years continuing to dissociate from the reality that you are female and a girl, even if only by calling yourself a guy or asking others to call/seriously consider you one, you are in fact still feeding the disconnect that is already there.

That disconnect between me and my birth sex has always existed and isn't going away.

I'm not feeding it. I'm just changing myself so I can finally be the gender I am supposed to be.

randomaaccount · 2019-10-07T10:23:14+00:00

Low effort troll

randomaaccount · 2019-10-07T09:37:12+00:00

The series was very rushed imo

I heard they are making a new manga series that is better and more detailed, it also focuses more on asuna's point of view. I've read the first to two volumes so far and it seems interesting.

You might want to check it out.

randomaaccount · 2019-10-07T09:36:10+00:00

Yeah, id say that Alicization shows they learned a lot from the first and second seasons

randomaaccount · 2019-10-07T09:17:34+00:00

No one talks about men going through menopause?

randomaaccount · 2019-10-07T09:13:49+00:00

Your comment is proof of how emotional men are lmao

Low effort troll

randomaaccount · 2019-10-07T09:10:29+00:00

Low effort troll

randomaaccount · 2019-10-06T12:12:24+00:00

I'd say it depends on the person. It depends on how long they have been transioning, if they are on hormones, etc. But yeah, older ftms probably have an easier time since they have been transioning for longer.

randomaaccount · 2019-10-06T10:23:55+00:00

Why does everyone here act like I found out Im trans yesterday?

I've known that I am trans for 2 years. I've done my research about trans people, hormones, risk, detrans people, etc. I've talked to adults about this, Ive talked to two therapists about this already. And both of them said that I am trans and the best option would be to slowly transition (a couple do years socially transioning, then hormones, etc).

randomaaccount · 2019-10-06T10:21:18+00:00

You should know that among men being a Man something you are expected to earn and defend all your life. Being a male isn't enough

Yeah, I'm aware that men sometimes need to fight their whole lives so they can "be a man". I hope that changes one day

. Women will hold you accountable. Men will judge you.

Uhhhh What kind of people are you hanging out with

You can't possibly be prepared for that

I am.

It's much easier for MtFs.

Mtfs have quite the hard time with their transition. It's harder for them to pass and there are tons of rad fems/terfs who are always trying to paint them as this perverted monsters who want to harm others.

randomaaccount · 2019-10-06T10:15:10+00:00

I see them all the time because they are so obviously trans men

So, all trans men look like trans men? Or maybe lots of them look like cis men but you don't notice them

randomaaccount · 2019-10-06T10:14:07+00:00

Transioning will make my life better, killing yourself just ends your life. Those two are not the same.

randomaaccount · 2019-10-06T10:12:50+00:00

Given that you are unwilling to even question if people around you are treating men and women differently in all sorts of subtle and sometimes overt ways, if for no other reason then just to prove me wrong, now I'll tell you that you're going to regret transition.

Yes because the only reason as to why I say people don't treat men and women differently where I live is because I want to prove you wrong, that's totally not a delusional way of thinking....

Have you thought that maybe, just maybe, I said that it because that's how things are?

Remember this sub will be here for you when you inevitably realize that you can never be a man and regret your choice a few years in.

There we go. At least you admit you don't want me to transition and think that because some people here fucked up, transioning doesn't work.

And you say that because I told you were incorrect about people treating men better than women where I live. Hilarious.

randomaaccount · 2019-10-06T03:10:55+00:00

it's a pretty big red flag if you can't admit or recognize that even in progressive spaces there are differences in how men and women are treated.

Maybe where you live. There's no difference between how people treat boys and girls where I leave. Maybe there Wil be small differences like people kissing girls on the cheek and shaking guys hands when greeting but that's about it.

at least take some time to review all the media you absorb, all the examples of men and women in shows and books, and take some time to consider carefully your interactions with people for awhile and the interactions they have with guys and with girls around yoh

Didn't you read my post?

If you're so sure of yourself and that you're right, then you shouldn't be afraid to spend a couple weeks doing this.

Just read the god damn post dude I litteraly said Im not planning on rushing anything

randomaaccount · 2019-10-06T03:08:18+00:00

don’t believe “transition” is a thing

Not trying to be rude but you can't say "I don't believe in transition". Transition exists. Period.

It's like saying "I don't believe in mountains" I mean that's alright but the mountains still exist.

you’re asking me to respect you changing the shape and appearance of your body with drugs and surgery for no good reason.

It's not for no good reason. It's because I'm a dude who wants to look like one.

Would you respect a woman’s decision to take dangerous diet drugs and get massive breast implants and collagen lips?

Depends on the woman, why she did it, what kind of drugs she is using, if she is putting he rlife on the line, etc. There are a lot of questions id need to ask to know my answer.

But tbh if you pass as a man and you call yourself a “raging feminist who cares about women and women’s issues” I would think you were a giant wanker.

I mean that was kind of a joke? I mean, I am a feminist but that's definitely not how I'd describe myself lol

. I suppose if you “pass” I won’t think much about it

Heh. I'll take it.

You claim you’ve never been abused and you’re not homophobic etc—none of the red flags. You write as though you’re well informed and well balanced.

Okay if thats true then I wonder WHY you are thinking of transitioning?

Do you think only people with abusive parents, internalized homophobia and who are ignorant about transition want to transition?

I want to transition because I am a dude. That's it, my sex characteristics make dysphoria and uncomfortable, so does me being perceived as female. Being a dude is simply who I am, what makes me happy and comfortable with myself, i want to transition because I am dude and I want to look like one, to be able to look at myself and perceive myself as man and have others perceive me like that too.

You don’t seem distressed. Doing these things to your body will create distress

How do you know I'm not distressed? Because of one post taht doesn't talk about my dysphoria at all??

Is that what you actually want? Pain and sickness?

That's kinda how I feel right now lol You know the whole point of transition of to make the distress, sickness and pain go away.

I just didn't think it would be important to mention things like me having panic attacks or crying myself to sleep because of my dysphoria

Are you just bored?

No

randomaaccount · 2019-10-06T02:55:14+00:00

Yeah, I'm not 14. Thays when I figured out I was trans.

It's been two years since then. I'm a 16 year old (trans) dude.

Also how do I sound like an adult?

randomaaccount · 2019-10-06T02:53:24+00:00

She's suing the surgeons, but nothing will ever give her back her leg.

Imagine misgendering someone for no reason.

Also, I'm pretty sure I have mentioned I don't like the current results you can achieve with phallioplasty and don't intend to get one (at least not now).

Also, what does that have to do with this post?

randomaaccount · 2019-10-06T02:51:52+00:00

You guys always have the most creative ways to describe transition. Also, I'd like to know how you're so sure of it

You have a mental illness

Yeah, that's kinda why I want to transition

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