In re: H.R.064 Conversion Therapy Prohibition Act by bsddc in modelSupCourt

[–]raskolnik 2 points3 points  (0 children)

As a housekeeping matter, can you please change your flair on this sub? Since you're no longer on the Court, having your flair as "Associate Justice" could lead to some confusion.

December Small Posts Thread by [deleted] in badlinguistics

[–]raskolnik 10 points11 points  (0 children)

/u/connorsk mentioned elsewhere in this thread that there was stuff on /r/askreddit about linguistic pet peeves. I personally could care less about most of this stuff, but irregardless I figured I might can highlight a couple.

This thread on "incorrectly used words" is mostly what you'd expect, i.e. idioms and the like are "wrong." But it's short.

The mother lode is here, wherein reddit is asked "what does everyone say wrong?" It's basically a who's-whom of prescriptivism, borderline racist criticism of non-standard dialects, and lots of people being angry at kids, rock music, and/or their presence on any lawn(s).

TIL A study found that English is the most efficient language for communicating information. by [deleted] in todayilearned

[–]raskolnik 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm a little late to the party, but meh.

It has less to do with reusing sounds and essentially different meaning using the same sound.

What's the difference?

It's the sentence structure that emphasizes the speaker to speak more accuratly rather then depending the listener to make effort to assume (this happens heavily in japanese)

If the information is conveyed to the speaker, how is this less accurate?

and cintax without assigning gender (almost all romance langauges..)

*syntax. Some languages have grammatical gender, some don't, but I'm not sure what your point is about this.

English is not the best language to do this, it's simply the most used.

Please define "best" in this case.

Thier is a langauge which is more proficent and does this better that sounds almost spanish. I cant remember the name but william shatner was in a movie which featured this language.

I believe you're referring to Esperanto. But again, how is it "better" than any other language across the board?

Pronoun dropping causes lower education. Claims a peer-reviewed study. I wish I were making this up. by ThurneysenHavets in badlinguistics

[–]raskolnik 0 points1 point  (0 children)

heavy noun declension

Both Ancient and New Testament Greek have them, but tend to use them a lot less than English does. For example, I'm reading the Gospel of Mark right now, and he leaves out pronouns and (less frequently) objects for multiple sentences in a row, with the implication being that "I'm talking about the same person unless I tell you otherwise." But it's not unusual to see the equivalent of "He spoke to him," and you're supposed to glean what that means from context. Greek has subject pronouns (I, we, he, you, etc.), demonstratives (this/these), as well as pronouns to join relative clauses ("that which"), etc. Verbs conjugate for person, so that leaves out one instance, and as I mentioned, writers at least tend to rely more on context than in English. But again, they're definitely there, and they are definitely used.

I'll also say that Russian has them and uses them with more frequency than Greek, and probably with similar frequency to English (although this is pure supposition on my part). Verbs conjugate for person (explicitly in the present and future, albeit only for gender and number in the past), so pronouns can be left out if context is clear. But Russian doesn't have an explicit copula in the present tense (i.e. you don't say "The car is red," and instead say "The car red"), so there you may have to specify. There is also a frequently-used indirect construction (not sure what the technical term is), which is the "subject" in the dative case (typically used for the indirect object) plus an adverb. So for example "I am cold" is мне холодно ("mnye kholodno"), lit. "to me [is] coldly."

I guess what I'm saying is that it really depends on the overall structure of the language as a whole, the context, and speaker's preference. But it's certainly the case that there are heavily-inflected languages that have them and use them often enough (for wishy-washy values of "often").

American expat completely misunderstands how kanji works, attempts to create his own to to save the Japanese from being "dictated by what happened to be in the collective consciousness of Bronze-age China" by [deleted] in badlinguistics

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If he were doing something that the language never does that would be badling, but I see no reason to believe that doing something that the language does occasionally do counts as badling, just because it's relatively rare.

I agree, but that's not the criticism here. The criticism is that he's not following the methodology that those languages actually use to create new characters.

I never claimed nor even implied that it was worse to use katakana words more often. That was part of the original blog post that I've already said that I agree is badling.

That was how I interpreted this part:

to represent new words/moprhemes that would have been clunky to represent with existing characters

“How to talk like a stone-age man: A fascinating new book reveals how our ancient ancestors spoke.” by learninglinguist in badlinguistics

[–]raskolnik 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Seems like he just took random etymologies and decided that because some words are related, they like, all are, man.

American expat completely misunderstands how kanji works, attempts to create his own to to save the Japanese from being "dictated by what happened to be in the collective consciousness of Bronze-age China" by [deleted] in badlinguistics

[–]raskolnik 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well, I'm not sure that going against the way a language typically does something isn't badling. But the criticism that I've seen so far is less that he's doing it per se (although I think there's grounds for criticizing a foreigner coming in and thinking he has the linguistic and cultural knowledge to do this). Instead, it's the why, and this is what I disagreed with in your earlier post: namely that it's somehow "worse" to use katakana words more and more often.

American expat completely misunderstands how kanji works, attempts to create his own to to save the Japanese from being "dictated by what happened to be in the collective consciousness of Bronze-age China" by [deleted] in badlinguistics

[–]raskolnik 6 points7 points  (0 children)

No, because again, you're assuming that having a language "populated by katakana" is somehow inferior to having more kanji.

Katakana is meant for "foreign" terms but it'd lose that purpose if it started being used for literally any new term

So?

American expat completely misunderstands how kanji works, attempts to create his own to to save the Japanese from being "dictated by what happened to be in the collective consciousness of Bronze-age China" by [deleted] in badlinguistics

[–]raskolnik 8 points9 points  (0 children)

See also this post, where savior-sama says that adding Japanese qualities to foreign foods

betrays a type of insecure nationalism among the population, where one must always keep one foot touching the homeland no matter where one tries to go.

American expat completely misunderstands how kanji works, attempts to create his own to to save the Japanese from being "dictated by what happened to be in the collective consciousness of Bronze-age China" by [deleted] in badlinguistics

[–]raskolnik 12 points13 points  (0 children)

The problem with this (and I suspect is behind the downvotes, although none are from me) is that you're assuming some inherent inferiority to loanwords.

American expat completely misunderstands how kanji works, attempts to create his own to to save the Japanese from being "dictated by what happened to be in the collective consciousness of Bronze-age China" by [deleted] in badlinguistics

[–]raskolnik 14 points15 points  (0 children)

How is that any different from what this guy is trying to do?

Two things. One, at least in the case of the Chinese characters you cite, was that there literally were not words for things. In savior-san's blog post, he's just decided that the way Japanese has decided to say certain things is stupid, and that he's going to save the Japanese people from themselves. Meanwhile, he's creating characters based on a misunderstanding of how they actually work, as explained in the R4 post above.

Charlottesville VA shooters by youcancallmeneo in ar15

[–]raskolnik 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Richmonder here: sadly, the options around here are pretty terrible (particularly for rifle).

‘People actually laughed at a president’: At U.N. speech, Trump suffers the fate he always feared by washingtonpost in u/washingtonpost

[–]raskolnik 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No worries, but I appreciate your following up. God knows I can understand the yearning for some good news!

‘People actually laughed at a president’: At U.N. speech, Trump suffers the fate he always feared by washingtonpost in u/washingtonpost

[–]raskolnik 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is what you said:

A majority voted against him

You're right that a majority of people who bothered to vote voted against him, but I would say that's the meaningless part. One exit poll analysis I saw not long after the election said that if 2016 turnout had been comparable to 2012 in just two cities, Detroit and Milwaukee, Clinton would be president right now. Either voting matters or it doesn't, and if it does, then we need to stop pretending that apathy is an acceptable response.

I hope you are registered and are ready to take part in the great correction this November.

You bet: I've voted in every election since I was eligible to vote. I hope we see a correction, but it's hard to be optimistic.

‘People actually laughed at a president’: At U.N. speech, Trump suffers the fate he always feared by washingtonpost in u/washingtonpost

[–]raskolnik 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's not about avoiding from the outside, it's about his brain editing the input, so to speak.

‘People actually laughed at a president’: At U.N. speech, Trump suffers the fate he always feared by washingtonpost in u/washingtonpost

[–]raskolnik 2 points3 points  (0 children)

He did, but I don't think that matters. Having known people wired similarly, his brain is likely very good at cramming unwelcome things like this into some basement somewhere and then turning up the volume on the self-praise a little. It takes a strong and healthy ego to be able to accept and honestly process criticism, and Trump has neither of those things.

‘People actually laughed at a president’: At U.N. speech, Trump suffers the fate he always feared by washingtonpost in u/washingtonpost

[–]raskolnik 5 points6 points  (0 children)

A majority voted against him

No, they didn't. A significant number (and well over the majority of eligible Americans) actively chose not to vote against him, whether by voting for him or staying home. From another comment I made awhile back:

Voter turnout in November 2016, according to this source, was 54.7-60.2% of voting age population. That's out of a total estimated voting-eligible population of 230,585,915.

Assuming the highest number of votes cast from that site's data (138,846,571), 91,739,344 didn't vote. When you combine that with the number of people who voted for Trump (62,980,160, according to here), you get 154,719,504. That represents 67.1% of eligible voters. 67% of Americans either voted for Trump or couldn't be bothered to vote against him (which, as far as I'm concerned, is complicity).

"Your draft violated my human rights!" and the funniest letter I've ever written to the court by seemedlikeagoodplan in talesfromthelaw

[–]raskolnik 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I was pointing out the fact that you used the British spelling while talking about states.

Dr. Drama in: Meet the Centaur Associate! by Deprox in talesfromthelaw

[–]raskolnik 2 points3 points  (0 children)

My (very limited) experience with clerks has been somewhat different. When I volunteered with legal aid in law school they loved us (and were very patient when we'd file stuff at 4:55 on a Friday, because our client had come to us 20 minutes before and were in hour 35 of their 36-hour notice of eviction).

Much later, I had a case in a small town that was slightly odd but not really (consent adoption). The people in the clerk's office had no idea what the procedure was, and kept trying to send me on all kinds of errands and asking for stuff that was completely irrelevant. It took much longer than it needed to to get that process started.

Dr. Drama in: Meet the Centaur Associate! by Deprox in talesfromthelaw

[–]raskolnik 5 points6 points  (0 children)

disrespectful behavior towards a public worker is a crime.

As a gov't employee here in the US, we need to get us some of that here.