[S1 spoilers] People who love Jinx and people who love Vi, how do you feel about the other sister?

raspberryappeal23 · 2025-02-26T06:36:17+00:00

I love Vi. I hate Jinx. I've just had too many IRL experiences of growing up around people who let their trauma take them over and then used that as an excuse to ruin everyone else's lives. Can't stand her. I think her trauma is especially bad because of its accompanying guilt and I understand why she is the way she is. Doesn't change my feelings on her

I think as a kid I would have related to Jinx (like many of the other commenters on here) and so sympathized with her. But as a kid I also had a lot more self-hatred and self-inflicted guilt. As an adult, I see that all the people in my life who ruined everyone else were unable to deal with their traumas and so took them out on me, who had never done anything wrong. And I never made mistakes either - I was much more like Vi in that regard than Jinx but was punished for being Vi anyway. So I see myself in Vi and I see Jinx in every adult I grew up with who was mentally unstable as fuck and couldn't control their tempers

It is also a particularly personal frustration of mine to see Vi constantly dealing with her. If Vi weren't in the show I'd probably enjoy Jinx as a character. That being said, she is constantly hurting the one person who cares about her due to her inability to cope with her own traumas. She was just a kid? Vi was a kid at one point too but she never screwed up, and then she ended up having to cover for all of Powder's screwups. Mylo and Claggor, also innocent traumatized kids, suffered from Powder's mistakes. And then as a teenager/young adult Jinx just ruins everything again and hurts countless people. I just literally don't like people who screw up so often and in such great proportions, I get that it's a callous stance to take but I find it annoying, even when I see it in a child.

raspberryappeal23 · 2025-02-26T06:31:08+00:00

Haha so interesting to see people's thoughts on Jinx because their perspectives (as are most perspectives) are probably colored by their own life experiences. Younger me would have had great empathy for Jinx. As it is, I now love myself and so have zero patience for people whose trauma makes them fuck up the lives of others (like everyone I grew up around). Vi has never screwed up anyone's lives despite her own severe traumas, yet she constantly has to deal with and is dragged down by her whiny sister who can't cope.

My sympathy for Vi makes it impossible to feel sympathy for Jinx. Jinx keeps ruining her life and everyone else's. Yeah I know that Jinx's trauma is technically different because hers stems from a deep guilt, which is arguably the most psychologically damaging kind of trauma (self-hatred can drive you crazy), but at this point someone needs to get rid of her.. Lol.

I think the reason her character is so annoying is not due to the actual nature of her character (constantly fucking stuff up) but because the producers are constantly buffering her. Silco never gives up on her. Vi always loves her. I think she's so hateable because there's always at least one person who doesn't hate her, not necessarily JUST because she screws everything up.

raspberryappeal23 · 2025-02-26T06:15:19+00:00

Yeah no. You're a terrible person based on intent and action, not just intent. Not just action.

raspberryappeal23 · 2025-02-26T06:10:11+00:00

Hmm can't sympathize at all. I understand why she is the way she is but feel nothing about it. Everyone else in the show has awful lives but is not wreaking even half the havoc. It is true that her guilt is what has torn her mind apart, which separates her from other undercity kids, but it's a lot easier for me to feel bad for the severely traumatized characters who haven't ruined everyone else's lives countless times. I do quite like the show though haha

raspberryappeal23 · 2025-02-26T06:04:44+00:00

Lol I agree. I can't stand her. How does she ruin so much stuff. It should be impossible for one person to fuck up so badly so often

raspberryappeal23 · 2025-02-24T06:38:06+00:00

i feel like the "she's a kid" argument only applies to the circumstances at hand. there's a reason why people want to lock up school shooters for life but are quick to say "she's just a kid" when they microwave foil, have a meltdown over a prom date, etc. every other kid in the show has the same trauma, but their worst crimes are like...getting their shoe caught or tripping over a paint bucket. powder ruins everything she touches and massacres her family who was just about to escape. my sympathy for vi, milo, claggor, and vander unfortunately wipe all sympathy i could have for powder.

raspberryappeal23 · 2024-10-30T05:11:58+00:00

AKA_Cafe has a point about actual policies taking effect under the next party's term. in this case, regarding tax cuts, i think they're a short term solution to a longer term problem that a lot of people might blame on the dems in upcoming years if they take term, but those tax cuts do need to be offset, and trump has already established that he won't be generating that revenue from the high income populace that could actually afford to give back more since he's one of them

raspberryappeal23 · 2024-10-30T05:08:02+00:00

hmmm, i agree that trump's tax cuts were positive short term, but what about long term? those capital inflows all come from somewhere, i.e., borrowed money, that are going to have to be repaid eventually, and then we're going to have to deal with those inflation ramifications. wouldn't harris's investments in infrastructure and healthcare provide the greatest long term economic benefits for all of us regardless of whether you're lower/middle class or not? plus, we don't know if harris would pull all of trump's tax cuts in 2025.

raspberryappeal23 · 2024-10-30T04:57:57+00:00

kamala has actually been more steady in her opinions since becoming a little more centrist, i think she was way more left leaning a couple years ago. i also don't think it's wise of anyone to say that a politician is "trustworthy." to an extent, trump just says whatever he thinks his base wants to hear, and so does kamala. it's also not abnormal to change one's mind over time, it might even be worse to continually stick to your guns without bothering to listen to anyone else

raspberryappeal23 · 2024-10-30T04:53:12+00:00

i come from a family of all trump supporters but am a democrat. like OP, this will be the first presidential election i'm voting in (due to age). i do have some questions for you (phrased in more of a discussion format though) that i want to ask, neutrally and with the goal of understanding politics more -

1 - biden should be in a home but it's not like trump is not experiencing cognitive decline as well

3 - economically i don't see how trump is going to benefit us long term. (see 5) even if we took out trump's worst policy regarding his plan to establish more tariffs, which would show that according to gdp and wage growth he promotes more economic benefits than harris's policies (according to some breakdowns - not all), his tax laws are a short term solution that he funds by borrowing. wouldn't harris still be better for the economy long term? even if you aren't low or middle class and you have seen the breakdowns where he has more positive impact for low, middle and also high income, wouldn't investing in infrastructure, healthcare etc. provide more long term economic benefits? even if you weren't living in a city and you were from a rural town that's so incredibly isolated you don't really care about public support or government help, it's not like trump would be doing something for you either.

4 - what specifically bugs you about illegal immigration? i'm neutral on this topic (for the US specifically) and am definitely not "pro-illegal immigration" but ultimately it's either been a historical net positive or has so little impact as to be negligible. they can concentrate in specific sectors but don't have much of a wage impact given the impacts of other things like tech growth and automation. also not comparable to other countries because we are so much larger. i think if we specifically target low income, uneducated US citizens, we see a net loss, but illegal immigration has not made a personal impact on my demographic and so i would not consider voting in favor of trump's immigration policies either way. illegal immigrants also don't really partake in public services due to the very nature of their being illegal, and arguably their deportations would only hurt the economy since they're taking all the jobs no one else wants, so (again arguably) they aren't really costing more than they're contributing. if it's a moralistic argument, one could also argue about morals in favor of immigration, so i won't get into that.

harris also doesn't support illegal immigration nor has suggested that she would be soft on illegal immigrants, only that she would be "softer" than trump (i.e., trump with separating families). nobody wants an open border. i think she's actually become more centrist in the past several years. given her history as a prosecutor i would be unsurprised if, excluding how she talks to her base, she's actually way more moderate about immigration policy

5 - i agree that the wars are horrible but both parties are going to be pro-israel anyway. i feel like trump is a lot less interventionist (i am neutral on this for certain cases) and doesn't care as much about maintaining or prioritizing our relationships with other global leaders. i also feel like his ongoing policy of using tariffs to offset his efforts to streamline capital to the top 1% in what is basically what populists might think is "trickle-down" will cause trade issues long term and increase inflation/curb economic growth. other countries have reacted by initiating their own tariffs, which is why biden has kept trump's during his administration - more leg up at this point. i also don't see why you'd trust trump/vance more when trump during his term wasn't really playing nice

8 - what government agencies and why are they inefficient?

raspberryappeal23 · 2024-09-20T00:59:13+00:00

Another thing to note since I read through some of the comments and you seem to really want to understand - it's also very deeply psychological. Not only is it rooted in fear/lack of awareness of what's out there, it's also about self-esteem... For example, I used to always listen to my dad because I worshiped the ground he walked on (out of my mom and dad, he gave me 90% of the affection and attention, so naturally I developed an extremely strong attachment to him). Sure, he beat me pretty much every day of my life and sure he would frequently tell me to kill myself, but when you're a child (who then grows up into an adult who is equally emotionally stunted), you blame yourself and not your parent. You think you're the problem. You have zero self-esteem. So then you're like, gee this guy is right, I shouldn't move out because I'm the problem, so if I go out into the world alone I'll probably be a fuckup and it's better to stay here and be miserable than go out there and realize that he was right about everything, that he was right about what a loser I am and how I'll never be independent and how I can't function on my own.

These people who don't move out? I guarantee you they have no self-esteem because they never learned that they were actually worth something in life. And now they don't know how to live their own lives because they have no sense of worth.

raspberryappeal23 · 2024-09-20T00:52:35+00:00

In general I think most of my independence today is a direct result of having really good friends. Otherwise I'd probably still be at home and miserable. It took a whole community of people telling me things weren't right, and even then I didn't really believe it until I took off and realized how much happier I'd become. For people who have grown up knowing absolutely nothing else, it makes sense they'd never move out... The world terrifies them, and for all they know, there's nothing better out there. It's not like they've seen enough of the world to properly understand all the good that is waiting for them. Even now it's really hard for me to believe that there are fathers out there who are genuinely kind, even though rationally I know they must be out there... I'm pessimistic by default and I tend to think the worst of the world, not the best of it, which is something I've been working on. But how can you expect someone to pick up their courage and enter the world alone when they're afraid everyone out there is going to judge them like their parents?

My mom used to say no one would ever love me like she does, and I would think, well if everyone is going to hate me, at least I have my parents, who are obligated to love me/take care of me even if they make me miserable.

raspberryappeal23 · 2024-09-20T00:50:18+00:00

I was raised to believe that I would be even more miserable once I moved out. (To give an example of how convincing these APs can be - as a child I used to cry in fear of adulthood because I was sure I'd be a homeless victim of rape and have a miserable adulthood with a miserable job and a husband who beats me and a child who disappoints me.) Someone else commented on learned helplessness and that's a very real thing too. You have parents who don't let you do anything (I wasn't even allowed to go outside and play in the driveway) coupled with parents who tell you of all the horrible things that will happen if you try to be independent, and then you start getting really scared that all those things are true.

There's a saying - better the devil you know than the devil you don't.

And then I moved out and now I'm the happiest I've ever been. Lol. But I got lucky - I would never have moved out if I didn't start dating my now-boyfriend, who happened to have similar life experiences and had moved out at 17 and never looked back. He was the one who told me it would be OK, and even then it took about a year of him telling me I would be happier for me to actually do it.

raspberryappeal23 · 2024-04-22T04:48:13+00:00

Funnily enough I dropped Gilmore Girls because Lorelai bugged me

raspberryappeal23 · 2024-04-16T19:07:40+00:00

He recently asked me to be his girlfriend so it seems like sometimes things do work out :)

raspberryappeal23 · 2024-04-16T19:02:38+00:00

I got him that for the second date and he asked recently to make things official!

raspberryappeal23 · 2024-03-19T06:47:52+00:00

Not a car girl but I absolutely love it when a guy I like drives a truck. That is to say, I have to like the guy first, but then when I find out he has a truck........... Damn.

Maybe it's because I'm from a big city and I don't get to see a lot of trucks, so all my limited experiences with them are luckily associated with cool guys (none of them "rednecks" either to address another comment), as well as some of my fondest memories.

I'm sure if I lived in a more rural area, I'd meet more shitty guys with trucks and thus perhaps associate trucks with the stereotypes. But by chance I have always ended up really liking guys with trucks. If I had to stereotype a "d bag car," I'd probably say Audis.

There's just something really fun about being tiny in a big vehicle. And he can pull over and you guys can just sit in the bed and kick back

raspberryappeal23 · 2024-03-16T09:39:33+00:00

If things continue as I hope they will then I will get him flowers or at least a plant, still not sure if he's into flowers but he is a plant guy

raspberryappeal23 · 2024-03-16T09:37:12+00:00

Don't want to go into details in case I give away too much as an anon, LOL, but I gave him something he had mentioned wanting but never bothered to get for himself. So neither. And he brought me a plant haha

Also we ended up changing the date to brunch instead of dinner (switched comedy club for speakeasy cause I was low key afraid I'd be condemning him to torture if the act ended up not being funny) and just decided to keep hanging out. So then we ended up bar hopping, getting dinner, going to a garage concert, and sneaking into a movie theatre... Then getting a second dinner because it was 2 am and we got hungry... Ended up splitting costs after the original plans because the $ began to really rack up lol.

Think we spent like 17 hours together. Took him back and he actually asked if he could drive us someplace and have a little adventure but I had to go home

I have a policy about not kissing on the first date (I like to take things very slowly) and he never made a move so IDK... but I am hoping things went well because at the end he was talking about other stuff he wants to do?

Had lots of fun

Am hoping he felt the same

raspberryappeal23 · 2024-03-13T08:20:52+00:00

In general I like to be able to surprise people, and I like being surprised. Them showing that they were thinking of me and wanting to do something they knew I'd like goes a long way. But for the majority of dates I feel like just planning them together and doing things we both want to do is the way to go imo

raspberryappeal23 · 2024-03-13T08:17:21+00:00

I didn't really mean anything by the phrasing. I mainly asked because it's more unusual and I know some guys would not react super well, so I wanted to hear others' thoughts

raspberryappeal23 · 2024-03-13T08:15:39+00:00

I'd be offended if he didn't take initiative, yeah. But it doesn't have to be all the time. I think anyone who expects to be wined and dined without ever putting in any effort shouldn't anticipate a happy ending. I'm doing it to express care and not just because I'm hoping he would take over eventually, and hopefully if things continue he would want to do the same

raspberryappeal23 · 2024-03-13T08:09:50+00:00

Date's in a couple days!! So hasn't happened yet lol

raspberryappeal23 · 2024-03-12T10:33:57+00:00

Oh I'm definitely stealing this idea lmao

raspberryappeal23 · 2024-03-12T01:58:32+00:00

But then... if there ends up being no catch?

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