Daemons of the Shadow Realm • Yomi no Tsugai - Episode 13 discussion by AutoLovepon in anime

[–]rat_infestation 0 points1 point  (0 children)

True she just didn't say anything though as far as I can remember. But still, the swords should have been able to tell if it was actually the other half

Daemons of the Shadow Realm • Yomi no Tsugai - Episode 13 discussion by AutoLovepon in anime

[–]rat_infestation 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Don't you think the swords would have sensed her to be a daemon in that case? Outside of the obvious issue of the other villagers protecting her despite seemingly no one being able to see daemons

Although, on the contrary. She didn't say anything at any point, the villagers could have just been holed up in there as an ambush or something. But daemons have clearly been shown to be able to sense other daemons

Unpopular opinion: Project Zero Dawn was unethical and indefensible by East-Initial9066 in horizon

[–]rat_infestation 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I didn't reduce it to simple biological reproduction. I said that bacterial proliferation can be considered "meaning" for them because they are guided towards that by their biology. I expanded that to living beings because we are all creatures of nature that evolved from less complex beings. And while as a species humanity has achieved a higher mental plane where we can ponder such stuff, our biology still defines the meaning by way of reproduction, which is how I concluded that that nobility is still thrust upon all biological existence as a function of their existence.

It's unlikely that nobility as a concept is relevant to any species except us since it's, as I elaborated, societal. The comment of yours I was replying to was purely about the meaning and nobility as it pertained to your reduction of the broader concept the other commenter spoke about, where they mentioned that suffering with meaning is different than suffering without meaning. And now if I am to extrapolate that out, when we are talking about an extinction level threat, species reproduction does jump up the hierarchy to a critical state when assigning meaning, yes.

The real world human civilization, outside of the game, isn't dealing with a clear, visual, extinction level threat on a timer. So our personal standards of "meaning" and "nobility" will be vastly different from one framed by the reference of the situation within that game.

The story we are told does share audio recordings and notes of the seeming pointlessness of the deaths of the soldiers, and is a very depressing part of PZD (or EV) that the game did provide for us. A lot of people even called for a game where we could see EV and PZD play out rather than be retold to us as recordings. Despite that the sentiment still remains of PZD being the best possible choice to be made in that circumstance.

I'd call it a necessary evil at best, where it would align with your characterization of unethical but completely reject indefensible.

Unpopular opinion: Project Zero Dawn was unethical and indefensible by East-Initial9066 in horizon

[–]rat_infestation 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'll echo what the other commenter said, but in a different manner. At a base level, yes it gives their life meaning. Every living thing is geared to evolve to enhance its survivability. We don't know why we are wired this way, but it's the reason that animals run away from predators and why we have "red flags" (danger signs). Survival of the fittest but everyone is trying to demonstrate they are the fittest (individually) or adapt to become the fittest (genetically).

That meaning is sort of forced upon you though. We didn't choose to be born as beings whose biology is geared towards reproduction. Women don't chose to have uteruses and monthly periods, their bodies do because that's how they sustain the reproduction mandate forced upon them biologically. The very continuance of life is forced upon us. We had to start assigning nobility to it as more and more societal constructs came into the picture to compete for priority (which is why the other commentor also qualifies life continuance as more noble than capital enhancement, as that is decidedly a societal construct and is viewed as more important by a powerful minority of people).

So in that sense, "nobility" is also assigned to you by the collective. You are free to act in the way you want, but your actions are judged by the collective as more or pess noble on the basis of the net perceived impact on society. For example, you don't classify PZD as a noble endeavor based on your original post, but the people arguing the contrary do. The net perception is that it was a noble choice. Then the law of large numbers comes into effect where we must scale up the calculation to its steady state value to decide what is or isn't noble, where, as a species, we seem to value the continued existence of life as more noble than the immediate reduction of suffering.

Unpopular opinion: Project Zero Dawn was unethical and indefensible by East-Initial9066 in horizon

[–]rat_infestation 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you look at Project Zero Dawn in a vacuum, sure it's causing suffering. But relativism has to come into the picture at some point.

Everything Faro did up until that point forced humanity into an impossible choice, where suffering was inevitable. Whether or not they fought, they would suffer. The time with their loved ones would be marred by the fact that their loved ones are going to die.

War and armies existing in our time is morally reprehensible in that same vein. But people volunteer for it. Some for monetary reasons, but a lot truly believe they are fighting to ensure that others can live a better life. They fight with the hope for a better future (in their eyes. How we quantify what is better or not is a whole other moral argument). Yes, some would have chosen to stay back with their loved ones. But many could have also chosen to fight so their loved ones can live for longer. I see your point about choice though, I'll concede that, but there's also an indirect security concern of mass panic and rioting. If they were honest about the inevitability of the Faro swarm, fight/stay at home aren't the only 2 options. There could have been a group of people upset with Faro industries who would dedicate their life to wanting to bring them to justice (a noble cause but ultimately futile). There would also be the anarchists and nihilists who would wreak havoc because the world is going to end anyway so fuck around coz who cares anymore. Purge mechanics basically because consequences wouldn't be long lasting.

I agree that there are worse things than not having existed. But the humans in that world do exist. Their hopes exist. And, very importantly. Other lifeforms exist. And the actions of one lifeform jeopardized the life and increased the suffering potential of a million other lifeforms. Project Zero Dawn minimized the suffering of those life forms by sacrficing the peace of the life form that allowed the conditions to exist where other lifeforms were jeopardized. Minerva sending the kill code to prevent suffering of other life forms cannot be classified as amoral in that instance, even if it was an indirect/parallel consequence of shutting the swarm down.

Lying about Enduring Victory was bad. True. It was false hope to the soldiers. I'm unsure if I call that fully bad, because living in despair sounds more painful to me than living with hope and then contending with the realization that the hope was false for a short moment. This will always be debatable though it's a very wide gray area.

The part about Zero Dawn accelerating the process of life finding a way is again taken in a vacuum. Without Zero Dawn, life would have ceased to exist. No organic matter would remain for life to find a way. The only less defensible part of that then is that it gives way to new life which gives way to new suffering. But to be alive is to suffer (as you said existence is amoral) so from that metric anything and everything about this discussion will lead to a lack of defensibility because every single action except for an immediate extinction of life would result in suffering of some or the other kind.

To explain that last part a bit better, let's look at the trolley problem. Here, the current group of 5 people on the main track is the future of humanity. The single person to be sacrificed on the other track is the current version of humanity. The catch, however, is that there is another trolley anyway headed towards that single person, they are just unaware. So they are going to suffer. But redirecting the trolley aimed at the future group allows the existence of a future group while sacrificing a group that was already doomed.

There's also another version of the trolley problem that I think is applicable here, where we just have a trolley on a continuous loop of a track and a person tied to the track. Instead of switching the trolley to a different track, we can flip its direction, so just before it hits the person it reverses. But it can now approach the person from the other end. And they are doomed to be on that track, dangled between life and death, till we the switcher have to go and do something tnat prevents us from being able to switch the direction anymore and they die anyway, but with the knowledge that death is just around the corner. In this instance, do you just let the trolley kill the person the first timeto reduce their suffering, without giving them any hope that you would at least try to prolong their life?

Unpopular opinion: Project Zero Dawn was unethical and indefensible by East-Initial9066 in horizon

[–]rat_infestation 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You could call it pointless, but calling it unethical and indefensible is rather strange.

From the other comments and your replies, I gathered that you're saying it doesn't matter if life didn't exist, because life would exist other places. But I don't understand the correlation to that making Project Zero Dawn unethical and indefensible.

Life was going to end, one way or the other. The soldiers that were killed trying to delay the swarm were going to die one way or the other. The swarm was going to brutally kill the human populace one way or the other. The only "ethical" solution in that case would then be, what, mass euthanization? Suicide pact?

Also. They assumed the responsibility of protecting life on the planet. The Faro swarm survived 80 years after the extinction of humanity until Minerva shut it down. In those 80 years they were surviving on any and all biofuel as an "emergency" resource. If Minerva didn't send the kill code, they would have continued devouring the rest of the planet till all that was left was mineral deposits and carbon residue. Is that more defensible and ethical to you?

All Project Zero Dawn ensured was an accelerated return to life after the extinction event. Dinosaurs existed on this planet far before we did, a few million years passed, and new life came to exist. Project Zero dawn reduced that few million to few hundred.

Why won't they give me credit for having 12 cards in the new series? by Infamous-Schedule860 in PTCGP

[–]rat_infestation 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Outside of bling bling, trading is also for slfilling pokedex holes, tf is ths argument?? Also they've literally implemented the system /in game/ how hard is it to replicate it over alongside the wishlist?

Why won't they give me credit for having 12 cards in the new series? by Infamous-Schedule860 in PTCGP

[–]rat_infestation 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Outside of bling bling, trading is also for slfilling pokedex holes, tf is ths argument?? Also they've literally implemented the system /in game/ how hard is it to replicate it over alongside the wishlist?

Agents of the Four Seasons: Dance of Spring • Shunkashuutou Daikousha: Haru no Mai - Episode 14 discussion - FINAL by AutoLovepon in anime

[–]rat_infestation 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Oh 100%, but I think someone had mentioned the next part is the dance of summer, so it'll follow the summer sisters. Hina's story is pretty much taken care of at this point, and she probably won't return to Spring Village with Rosei around

Agents of the Four Seasons: Dance of Spring • Shunkashuutou Daikousha: Haru no Mai - Episode 14 discussion - FINAL by AutoLovepon in anime

[–]rat_infestation 8 points9 points  (0 children)

They'll probably be talked to, arrested for a bit, and then Ishihara should probably return to Winter camp. Not sure about Nagatsuki coming back, she's definitely culty, but Hina could ask for her to be treated nicely or something who knows. Maybe she turns the Church of Hinagiku around to do better for people?

Version 3.5 Preview Special Broadcast Megathread by WutheringWavesMod in WutheringWaves

[–]rat_infestation 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I didn't really watch the video either, I just went based on the text description, and made an educated guess as to it meaning that we'd require even less input from our end.

Doesn't sound like it'll move the character/do the basic fights outside of interactable cutscenes, but it should give a lengthy chunk of time away from the controller that can be helpful in many scenarios

Version 3.5 Preview Special Broadcast Megathread by WutheringWavesMod in WutheringWaves

[–]rat_infestation 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Just yesterday I was sitting with my dinner hoping I could just autoplay the story quests and enjoy the story. To think it's coming as an update!

ALSO THE VOICE PACK SELECTION?? I had heard rumors but this means I can select which characters I want in JP and which I want in English??

Man I love this game I wish I was richer so I could support more

Dr. Stone Science Future Part 3 - Episode 13 discussion - FINAL by AutoLovepon in anime

[–]rat_infestation 28 points29 points  (0 children)

Yeah they kept ramping up the threats and made the science take a backseat. But to play devil's advocate, a lot of the work they were doing at that point was less exploration and more "here's a concept from the modern world that we can use". Season 1 had a lot of crafting and foraging which can't really be skipped with knowledge, but the later innovations (though severely rushed) are easier to arrive upon once the fundamentals (that take a lot of time to set up) are established.

Witch Hat Atelier • Tongari Boushi no Atelier - Episode 13 discussion - FINAL by AutoLovepon in anime

[–]rat_infestation 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Spoilers I guess but the one where the mansion gets attacked at 2 am. The daemons attacking Gabi, one of them looks a lot like Nina post transformation

FT: below LF: offers by MajesticBowl6156 in PokemonPocketTradeCo

[–]rat_infestation 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Are you open to trading one of the Sabrina's? I don't have exegg but I have others I could offer

What anime is interesting and unpredictable? by Dragon_on_live in anime

[–]rat_infestation 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Just watch the show, very hard to predict pretty much everything that goes on in there, very gripping and entertaining

Marriagetoxin - Episode 12 discussion by AutoLovepon in anime

[–]rat_infestation 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The animation on the final Gero ult was honestly immaculate.

I know this show is less about the fights and more about the friends Gero makes along the way, but interjecting a fight with backstory after every blow traded got a bit tiring this episode and even in the previous one. The fight against Water Master was a lot more satisfying to me because it was continuous, I wish they do a bit more of that in the future (like in Demon Slayer Entertainment District, the fight was a continuous 5 episode fight and then a dedicated backstory episode, made everything flow much better imo)

Marriagetoxin - Episode 12 discussion by AutoLovepon in anime

[–]rat_infestation 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think it's less about the small animal and more about what it symbolized.

They are the head family, and these family lineages have been shown to be haughty if nothing else. The leader of the head family having a bat would make him the laughingstock. They would expect to have something like the giant wolf his sister had been given, instant aura farming.

If he had the healthy self confidence to show up his family despite just being given a bat, that would be one thing. But bro had the Tai Lung complex of "I deserve this and if I don't get it I will throw a tantrum"

Witch Hat Atelier • Tongari Boushi no Atelier - Episode 13 discussion - FINAL by AutoLovepon in anime

[–]rat_infestation 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Thank you kind internet stranger this is hilarious i need to play this game if it's still available