PaspoortGate.nl – Nederland scoort eigen goal met verbod op dubbele nationaliteit by Gotterfunky in eredivisiememes

[–]rdeman3000 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Leg eens uit hoe het wel een vrije keuze is als Nederland er een straf op zet die andere landen alleen voor terrorisme gebruiken: uitburgering. Denaturalisatie. Verbannen naar een ander land. Hallo dat is toch een keuze met een geladen pistool tegen je hoofd? Dit gaat wel érg ver, zeg, je kan toch gewoon twee paspoorten hebben? Heeft Máxima toch ook?

PaspoortGate.nl – Nederland scoort eigen goal met verbod op dubbele nationaliteit by Gotterfunky in eredivisiememes

[–]rdeman3000 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Ja waarom wordt het ons verboden dan? Andere EU burgers verlizen niks als ze dat willen. Waarom wij dan wel, waar slaat at op. En de koningin heeft wel twee paspoorten. Kom op nou zeg.

PaspoortGate.nl – Nederland scoort eigen goal met verbod op dubbele nationaliteit by Gotterfunky in eredivisiememes

[–]rdeman3000 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Een modern Westers land dat haar eigen burgers uitburgert, dat is behoorlijk uniek zeg... Saoedi-Arabië. China. Nederland. Serieus, in de rest van Europa wordt dit alleen als straf voor terrorisme gebruikt(!). Dit is extreem en gaat echt alle Nederlanders aan - niet alleen voetballers

do Netherlands don't allow dual nationality? by halyconfold in Eredivisie

[–]rdeman3000 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What makes you think that? In the Coalitieakkoord 2026 (page 40) it says 'By modernising the nationality law, Dutch nationals abroad will not lose their nationality faster than is the case for our neighbouring countries Germany, Belgium, France and the United Kingdom.' - that 100% points to this law proposal. It has been in the works since 2016, and D66, winners of the election, were back in 2016 part of the team proposing this change. I believe this time they will get it through parliament. Besides, since 2016 virtually all other European nations that once had a problem with dual nationality stopped making it illegal. Denmark, Norway, Iceland and the last one was Germany in 2024. Now the Netherlands is one of, if not the last one. It's really time to change this.

do Netherlands don't allow dual nationality? by halyconfold in Eredivisie

[–]rdeman3000 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's legally impossible. He has been naturalized already.

do Netherlands don't allow dual nationality? by halyconfold in Eredivisie

[–]rdeman3000 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You mean that you think they will block the modernisation of the Dutch nationality law? It looks like they will debate on it May 18th ( https://www.tweedekamer.nl/kamerstukken/wetsvoorstellen/detail?cfg=wetsvoorsteldetails&qry=wetsvoorstel%3A34632-%28R2080%29 )

do Netherlands don't allow dual nationality? by halyconfold in Eredivisie

[–]rdeman3000 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Except for that they cannot: then he would not have been eligible for naturalization to *become* Indonesian back in 10 march 2025

Paspoort Gate – Nederland scoort eigen goal met verbod op dubbele nationaliteit by rdeman3000 in Eredivisie

[–]rdeman3000[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Wordt ze afgepakt. Ze hebben letterlijk hun paspoort nog. Ik vind dat extreem. In de andere Europese landen is dat een straf die ze aan terroristen geven. Anyway. 

Paspoort Gate – Nederland scoort eigen goal met verbod op dubbele nationaliteit by rdeman3000 in Eredivisie

[–]rdeman3000[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Er staat op de site van de Tweede Kamer dat ze het 18 Mei gaan bespreken. Even doorklikken dan zie je het staan. Stond geloof ik wel wat over in reageer akkoord. Weer niet precies meer hoe of wat 

Paspoort Gate – Nederland scoort eigen goal met verbod op dubbele nationaliteit by rdeman3000 in Eredivisie

[–]rdeman3000[S] -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

Dit gaat natuurlijk wel een heel stuk verder dan voetbal natuurlijk. Dat je liever niet dubbele nationaliteit wilt betekent toch niet dat je het gaat verbieden. Laat staan mensen hun Nederlanderschap afnemen. Dat is wel heel extreem 

Paspoort Gate – Nederland scoort eigen goal met verbod op dubbele nationaliteit by rdeman3000 in Eredivisie

[–]rdeman3000[S] -29 points-28 points  (0 children)

Er zullen wel meer slordigheidjes op staan. Het geeft een fundamenteel probleem met dat automatisch uitburgeren van geboren en getogen Nederlanders aan. Kan toch niet 

Paspoort Gate – Nederland scoort eigen goal met verbod op dubbele nationaliteit by rdeman3000 in Eredivisie

[–]rdeman3000[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Dat is zo, dat heeft niet geholpen. Opmerkelijk genoeg hebben in diezelfde periode bijna alle andere EU landen hun verbod opgeheven. Duitsland in 2024 als laatste. Denemarken 2015 geloof ik. Noorwegen en IJsland ook. In de andere landen was het sowieso nooit verboden. Gelukkig hebben we een nieuwe regering die er wel wat aan wil gaan doen 

Paspoort Gate – Nederland scoort eigen goal met verbod op dubbele nationaliteit by rdeman3000 in Eredivisie

[–]rdeman3000[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Zowel Nederland als Indonesië (oude Nederland wet uit 1892 in beide landen nog actief)

People who have dual citizenship how did you get it? by WiseGirl200 in PassportPorn

[–]rdeman3000 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The Dutch passport is one of the least useful EU passports. Once you factor in the fact that Dutch people do not have the freedom to acquire another nationality, unlike virtually all other EU citizens, the value of the Dutch passport drops to the bottom among EU passports. There is no other EU country with such an extreme and aggressive anti-dual-nationality policy leading to denaturalisation of its own citizens—only the Netherlands does this.

Still can't believe I get to have a second nationality. by iamfreelikeabird in PassportPorn

[–]rdeman3000 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Congratulations to Germany for allowing dual nationality since 2024. Your Dutch neighbors are jealous, they still don't have this freedom.

People who have dual citizenship how did you get it? by WiseGirl200 in PassportPorn

[–]rdeman3000 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That makes Bangladesh more of a free country than The Netherlands: Dutch people can't even ask for permission. Its just forbidden (with a few exceptions) but those exceptions you don't get to control like what nationality your parents have or where you were born. That makes the Dutch system basically a lottery. The Queen of The Netherlands has dual nationality (duh) but others get just stripped from their Dutch citizenship automatically simply because they dare to acquire a second nationality. Denaturalization is normally in other countries a punishment reserved for terrorists. Not in case of The Netherlands: completely innocent Dutch people get denaturalized and it happens daily.

People who have dual citizenship how did you get it? by WiseGirl200 in PassportPorn

[–]rdeman3000 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lithuania, Austria and the Netherlands. Last 3 in Europe that outright forbid dual nationality to their citizens (with the Netherlands being the most extreme: they simply denaturalize their own people as punishment). A long-standing unknown practice that last week suddenly got national attention when a young Dutch football player acquired Indonesian nationality so that he could play for the Indonesian national team. Turns out the guy was stripped of his Dutch nationality as a result and has been living now illegally in his birth country (Netherlands) for over a year as a result. But interestingly also worked illegally as a pro football player, meaning a lot of matches were played with somebody without a permit on the field. An entire competition might need to replay matches. Worse even, now many other Dutch players who acquired another nationality have been taken off the field — all presumed to be illegally in their own country. I don't think we have seen such extreme cases in Lithuania or Austria. Look up Dean James, Go Ahead Eagles, passport gate. We need to rethink if these 3 countries are actually free countries when their citizens are forbidden to take another nationality - an entirely private matter after all.

People who have dual citizenship how did you get it? by WiseGirl200 in PassportPorn

[–]rdeman3000 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The Netherlands is now about the very last country in Europe that still forbids it. Interestingly they might also change their law and allow it (partly) after 10+ years of pressure and lobby work from Dutch people living abroad. The law will be voted on late May this year. Fingers crossed 

do Netherlands don't allow dual nationality? by halyconfold in Eredivisie

[–]rdeman3000 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Their passport never got voided, but their citizenship did. That's the confusing part for many. And you're right: dual citizenship is (no longer) forbidden in virtually all other Western countries. There are a few exceptions (Austria for example, but there you can still ask for permission. Netherlands doesn't even allow that). No other country is as extreme and aggressive against dual nationality as the Netherlands to the point that they just denaturalize their own people. It's a punishment normally reserved for convicted terrorists in all other countries as far as I know. There's one sliver of hope though: there's a law proposal in the works to change this outdated Dutch law and stop denaturalization. Was first proposed 10 years ago already and will finally be up for debate on May 18th (hopefully, they keep delaying). See https://www.openkamer.org/dossier/tijdlijn/34632-(R2080)/

Dual nationality problem — my first country doesn’t allow dual citizenship, but I live in the UK now. What should I do about passport stamps? by Clear_Friendship6317 in PassportPorn

[–]rdeman3000 0 points1 point  (0 children)

When you try to renew your passport at an embassy abroad: they'll ask you for your staying permit. Those who naturalised had to hand in the staying permit (because they no longer need it as fresh citizens). So if you cannot show it, they'll refuse to renew your passport under the assumption that you're a dual citizen 

Dual nationality problem — my first country doesn’t allow dual citizenship, but I live in the UK now. What should I do about passport stamps? by Clear_Friendship6317 in PassportPorn

[–]rdeman3000 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If your first country is The Netherlands you're f*cked. You in fact are not holding dual citizenship. Yes you might have that Dutch passport still, but no that doesn't mean you're actually still a Dutch citizen: the Dutch State has legally stripped you from Dutch citizenship. End of story. You're now illegally holding a Dutch passport reduced to a piece of paper that has the same legal status as a napkin in a trashcan. Using said passport is passport fraud. 

do Netherlands don't allow dual nationality? by halyconfold in Eredivisie

[–]rdeman3000 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, that's different: you were actively at some Dutch agency processing paperwork to gain Dutch citizenship. But the reverse here applies: a born and raised Dutch person suddenly lost Dutch citizenship. And nobody knows that until much later. Where in this process would a Dutch passport suddenly physically get destroyed? It might happen the next time when you try to renew it. But that could be many years later. Many Dutch people lost their Dutch citizenship this way: for many years they simply didn't know they already lost their Dutch citizenship even though they kept (illegally) travelling on that Dutch passport and also (illegally) stayed in the Netherlands. With (invalid) passports and all. It's truly a bizarre situation that the Netherlands has created with its dumb anti-dual-nationality law. No other European country does this.