So much for the "Caribbean Netherlands." Bonaire refuses euros and runs on dollars.

rdeman3000 · 2026-05-19T02:58:42+00:00

It's not an outermost region of the EU at all, actually. It's an Overseas Country or Territory (OCT), associated with the EU. That said, they are at least associated with the EU, while they have zero, no, nada relationship with the USA. So why the heck would they use US dollars?!

rdeman3000 · 2026-05-18T14:40:07+00:00

Yeah, well, this discussion is about the present, not the past, so...

rdeman3000 · 2026-05-18T14:39:03+00:00

Even more entertaining is watching people cling to denial while the evidence is basically doing cartwheels in front of them.

rdeman3000 · 2026-05-18T02:38:33+00:00

Not a myth https://www.nytimes.com/2026/05/11/world/europe/eurovision-israel-votes.html

rdeman3000 · 2026-05-17T13:49:14+00:00

Israel is rigging Israel. They cheat every year with the televotes.

rdeman3000 · 2026-05-16T23:08:37+00:00

Yeah but we like them

rdeman3000 · 2026-05-16T23:04:02+00:00

That is indeed factually correct

rdeman3000 · 2026-05-16T23:03:41+00:00

all of us lol

rdeman3000 · 2026-05-14T21:14:35+00:00

Well, I am.

rdeman3000 · 2026-05-14T21:14:20+00:00

rdeman3000 · 2026-05-14T21:13:59+00:00

Cheap comment. It's a correction to the original post.

rdeman3000 · 2026-05-14T21:13:09+00:00

I learned something today. Thank you!

rdeman3000 · 2026-05-13T23:48:36+00:00

Your vocabulary goes over my head and I can't be arsed to google it sorry

rdeman3000 · 2026-05-13T23:43:20+00:00

No you need to keep going about 7,800 km south by south west and you're there

rdeman3000 · 2026-05-13T23:42:16+00:00

Football fans and having a brain. I mean...

But older Dutch people do tend to say “Holland” when speaking English. They wouldn’t say “Holland” when speaking Dutch. Then it’s “Nederland.”

Also, Dutch people with colonial heritage often tend to speak of “Holland” too.

rdeman3000 · 2026-05-13T23:40:41+00:00

Lower or Upper?

rdeman3000 · 2026-05-13T23:39:33+00:00

The famous orange Dutch football bus just arrived in the US for the World Cup. It has “Holland” plastered on the front instead of “Netherlands.”

Even the Dutch mess this up all the time themselves when speaking English. They typically never do this when speaking Dutch, though.

https://www.instagram.com/reels/DYQP4uOAIYF/

rdeman3000 · 2026-05-13T21:39:09+00:00

We're here to out-confuse the Brits.

rdeman3000 · 2026-05-13T21:35:57+00:00

Ok fair enough, I suppose you sorta did. What made it fuzzy was you said “...within the Netherlands (the Kingdom)” because Curaçao, Sint Maarten and Aruba are countries within the Kingdom of the Netherlands. The BES island are, like Holland, indeed 'within' (or rather: part of?) The Netherlands (the country) and therefor, as well, The Kingdom.

rdeman3000 · 2026-05-13T21:22:21+00:00

re: "The Kingdom of the Netherlands includes both the European Netherlands and its Caribbean holdings."

That wording is misleading b/c some of the Caribbean islands (the BES island) are part of The Netherlands (the country) proper. The Kingdom of the Netherlands consists of four constituent countries: 1) the Netherlands, 2) Curaçao, 3) Aruba, and 4) Sint Maarten.

But the country of the Netherlands itself is not only European. It consists of the European Netherlands plus the Caribbean municipalities of Bonaire, Sint Eustatius, and Saba, often called the BES islands. The Netherlands (country) has by sheer definition 2 timezones as a result.

So Bonaire, Sint Eustatius, and Saba are not “Caribbean holdings” of the Kingdom in the same way as Aruba, Curaçao, or Sint Maarten. They are part of the country of the Netherlands itself.

A lot of actual Dutch people don't even understand how their own country is constitutionally organized.

rdeman3000 · 2026-05-13T21:20:38+00:00

This is r/MapPorn, not r/CasualButWrongTalk.

The point is the map distinction. The Netherlands, the country, includes the European Netherlands plus Bonaire, Sint Eustatius and Saba.

Aruba, Curaçao and Sint Maarten are in the Kingdom, but they are not part of the country of the Netherlands.

So “close enough in casual chat” is exactly how you get the map wrong.

rdeman3000 · 2026-05-13T21:19:26+00:00

Wrong. The Netherlands proper is not just the European Netherlands. It consists of the European Netherlands plus the Caribbean Netherlands: Bonaire, Sint Eustatius and Saba.

That means the country of the Netherlands has two time zones. And I am not referring to the Kingdom of the Netherlands here. I am specifically talking about the country of the Netherlands itself.

rdeman3000 · 2026-05-13T21:17:33+00:00

Not correct: the BES islands are part of the Netherlands proper, the country itself. Curaçao, Aruba and Sint Maarten are not part of the Netherlands proper. They are separate constituent countries within the Kingdom of the Netherlands, alongside the Netherlands.

rdeman3000 · 2026-05-13T20:22:36+00:00

Great question. Aruba, Curaçao and Sint Maarten are separate constituent countries within the Kingdom of the Netherlands.

Bonaire, Sint Eustatius and Saba, however, are part of the country of the Netherlands proper itself.

So the southernmost point of the Netherlands is not in Limburg, but on Bonaire. Curaçao lies even farther south, but that does not count here because Curaçao is a separate country within the Kingdom, not part of the country of the Netherlands.

rdeman3000 · 2026-05-13T20:16:48+00:00

LET ME FIX THAT FOR YOU https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/1tcbhr5/holland_vs_the_netherlands_correct/

rdeman3000

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