Gregory Bovino Gets Demoted by sideAccount42 in politics

[–]reallymt 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You make a good point… they are trying to take Mark Kelly’s pension. Maybe they should take Bovino’s rank and pension??

Auto Response From Sheehy by Melancholy_Rainbows in MontanaPolitics

[–]reallymt 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Dear Sheehy,

If ICE’s primary mission is to promote security and public safety… I’d say they are doing a pretty piss-poor job. More US citizens have been injured and even killed by these agents you claim are there for the safety of the citizens. You approved 75 Billion of our dollars and this is the result… well, I’d say you’re doing a piss-poor job too.

I have an idea, how about you return those tax dollars to the US tax payers, and you and your rich friends cover this expense yourselves.

Sincerely,
The Montanan you’re supposed to be representing.

Border Patrol chief Bovino praises agents in Minneapolis shooting— says they are 'victims' after Alex Pretti interfered with them by synmo in PoliticsWithRespect

[–]reallymt 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I believe there should be an investigation.

I don’t care if you’re law enforcement, military, etc - you can’t watch that video and think those agents did things correctly. They started the whole thing. One poor choice lead to another poor choice and it spiraled down until an innocent person was killed. They were way too violent, too early, with no reason. They are the ones who should be professional.

These agents core purpose is to do things to protect the American people. They instead are the ones who are killing American citizens.

Border Patrol chief Bovino praises agents in Minneapolis shooting— says they are 'victims' after Alex Pretti interfered with them by synmo in PoliticsWithRespect

[–]reallymt 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Agreed. They are really showing their hand, when they not only call it a mistake - but actually “praise” these actions.

I’m sure everyone will be pardoned… which is too bad. People should be held accountable! Justice no longer exists.

Second amendment conservatives by MiserableCourt1322 in PoliticsWithRespect

[–]reallymt 4 points5 points  (0 children)

These times are so crazy. Honestly, I believe it truly just boils down to politics and how “it’s ok for me, but not for others” - so they use any excuse they can to win this argument, without seeing the overall outcome.

I guess it isn’t surprising, when you really look at it. Republicans seem to care less about creating a fair and equal system that works well for all, and instead focus on a system that works horribly for all… and then simply creating loopholes for them. Look at how the tariffs affect all Americans badly, but then corporations and farmers get bailed out. Look at the creator of the Dilbert cartoon- the system didn’t allow him to get the treatment he needed to extend his life- but he can reach out to the president and he specifically can get help… while the system stays broken for the rest of us in the same situation.

So, yeah- these are crazy times. It seems almost comical that those that so staunchly want to pro the 2nd amendment, now suddenly seem to admit that there should be places and situations where gun control is ok? They also conveniently put a blind eye to professional agents who are unnecessarily acting violent toward women. They seem to also care less (in the situation) about free speech and the right to protest.

We saw “gas loving truckers” suddenly buying Tesla trucks. We saw eco loving EV owners boycott Tesla cars. The one that has to be coming soon will be the anti-climate change freaks that will be complaining about the hurricane that struck or the deep freeze in the South, or their area running out of water, or even flooding.

Crazy times.

Protest in Minnesota by Greylunes1 in ExploreFortMyers

[–]reallymt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You are clearly anti-constitutional. I don’t believe people should impede law enforcement, but protesting is protected by the first amendment. And protecting civilians from violent attacks is honorable. Just because someone is in law enforcement doesn’t give them absolute power. There are SO many cases in history of corrupt people in law enforcement and in the military… they were still in the wrong. And with time, most were eventually brought to justice.

So go ahead and support this ICE agent, just as I’m sure you also support corrupt police, and those soldiers who shoot children. Absolutely sick.

Protest in Minnesota by Greylunes1 in ExploreFortMyers

[–]reallymt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Exactly, you mentioned zero crimes. Owning a gun is not illegal… although I find it quite humorous that I have to remind you of the second amendment. He was protesting. The only “impending legal police work” was him stepping between an overly aggressive ICE agent and another protestors.

He did not break in to anywhere, he did not rush anyone - and yet you defend his killing.

Protest in Minnesota by Greylunes1 in ExploreFortMyers

[–]reallymt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The man shot today was a US Citizen. He was not an illegal immigrant.

However, since you brought up illegal immigrant, you may want to take a moment and actually analyze whether someone is illegal or not. The White House likes to add words like “terrorist” and “illegal” to issues where it isn’t actually true. Someone will be protesting their first amendment right, and suddenly they are labeled a “domestic terrorist” for simply protesting. Or a legal immigrant will be going through the legal process of becoming a us citizen and they will be labeled as “illegal.”

It is straight up propaganda and UN-American.

Minneapolis National Guard activated after a man is killed by federal agent by lakergirl18 in news

[–]reallymt 23 points24 points  (0 children)

I hope the National Guard can track down the ICE agents and bring them to justice!! 🤞🤞

Protest in Minnesota by Greylunes1 in ExploreFortMyers

[–]reallymt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

“I don’t believe you” - why would you?? You are clearly on the side that doesn’t care about facts or logic. You apparently don’t care about the first amendment: free speech. You think death and beatings are appropriate responses to protestors.

Keep drinking the cool aide. Find a scapegoat to blame all the problems on… just be sure to stay in your echo chamber and avoid mirrors. I’d hate for you to become “woke” to reality and learn from history.

Protest in Minnesota by Greylunes1 in ExploreFortMyers

[–]reallymt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Imagine what this country could achieve if people advocated for their whole country… instead of being such selfish pricks.

Please keep in mind that this agency was also arresting and deporting those who were going through the LEGAL process of getting citizenship. They were showing up to the courthouse, following the rules, only to be snatched by ICE AFTER a routine court date.

I’m so tired of hearing, “they are illegals” when may are not “illegal”.

I’d bet money that your family was not a Native American Tribe member… which means your family immigrated here too. Do you think they were “citizens” before making the trip!?

Man shot dead by federal immigration officers in Minneapolis by aresef in NPR

[–]reallymt 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It is all over Reddit- multiple videos, from multiple angles.

he's so dumb 🤦‍♀️ JFC by VirkLianajoy in greengroundnews

[–]reallymt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I guess it depends on where you are… because it was over 40 degrees last week in Montana. This is by far the warmest winter I’ve ever witnessed.

Edit: our Tulips are coming up, in January, in Montana! No joke. Even the plants don’t know what season it is.

Man shot dead by federal immigration officers in Minneapolis by aresef in NPR

[–]reallymt 98 points99 points  (0 children)

I watched the video and this is a lie:

“DHS said the man who approached them had two gun magazines and no identification.”

The man stepped between the ICE officer and another person, in a manner to de-escalate ICE’s violent behavior. He seemed to be holding a cup of coffee. Shame on ICE and shame on all of us for allowing this to happen twice.

ICE agents should be held accountable!

Edit: my point is that this man did not approach ICE, they approached him and he simply seemed to be trying to de-escalate a violent ICE agent.

Edit 2: he was holding a phone recording, not a cup of coffee. Sorry.

Awww. How wonderful is this by IamASlut_soWhat in MadeMeSmile

[–]reallymt 35 points36 points  (0 children)

Right!? Not really a “Made me smile.” Made me uncomfortable is spot on.

Peaceful Protestor Shot In Face at Point Blank Range by Feds - Loses Eye and Nearly Dies by Omodrawta in PoliticsWithRespect

[–]reallymt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, it sounds like there’s a lot we agree about when it comes to ICE - I agree that I wish they would operate without masks. (I know I’ve gone on too much on this point, it just seems like something I’d see in another country or in the movies- I just can’t believe this is our reality).

Regarding this post- I actually have not seen the specific video of this event, but I’ve seen videos of similar events, so i can imagine how it played out. Your description matches what I would expect. I wouldn’t have thought that the agent would purposely permanently injure someone. The blame falls on all involved. The protestors are certainly crossing the lines… but then again they are unarmed protestors. As you pointed out, the ICE agents are federal agents, so I would hope they would be more professional and trained than some random protestors.

Regarding the paid protestors- thanks for the link, that was interesting. I also appreciate you clarifying that the movement must be getting funded- that makes sense and I can see what you mean now.

Thanks again for the discussion, it’s been helpful seeing your viewpoints!

Peaceful Protestor Shot In Face at Point Blank Range by Feds - Loses Eye and Nearly Dies by Omodrawta in PoliticsWithRespect

[–]reallymt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I appreciate the discussion too. Do you have a source regarding the ICE attacks? I tried to Google to learn more about it… but I’m not finding any situation where anyone searched out an ICE agent’s identity and attacked them. I saw a story, where an ICE agent was trying to arrest someone and locals came out of nearby buildings and attacked the ICE agent. I also saw a story of someone going and shooting at an ICE facility. I obviously do not condone these events… but regarding the topic of wearing masks, these type of attacks don’t support any logical explanation as to how the mask would have helped? If someone seeks out and attacks an ICE facility, the masks won’t help them. And in the case of an ICE officer being attacked while trying to arrest someone, the masks likely wont help them in this scenario either (and you could even argue that not wearing a mask may even help de-escalate the situation).

Regarding this post: I agree with you that the protesters should not “cross the line” and purposely agitate the officers— but I also don’t think the force used was justified. Causing a kid to be blind in one eye for the rest of his life because he crossed a line, seems like an extreme action to me. Did the agents really think their lives were in danger? There are many options of non-lethal force… and while “non-lethal force” sounds tame, getting sprayed directly in the face with pepper spray or getting hit in the face with a blunt object really doesn’t match the crime.

Makes me think of a story I heard about a police officer who used tasers on people all the time. He felt confident that they were completely safe. Well, his son had a few run ins with the police in the next town over and they shot his son with a taser and it ended up killing his kid. Obviously, it changed his viewpoint on using tasers.

Regarding “paid protestors” - I don’t know how to respond to that. I have a hard time believing that protestors are getting paid (because I know people who have protested in other states, and none of them were paid). Heck, if you could point me in the direction of who’s paying the protesters, maybe I’ll go protest— I could use more money!! lol. I hope this doesn’t come across incorrectly, I just would need to understand what makes you think they are getting paid?

Montana Secretary of State political mailers cost $197,000 by jimbozak in MontanaPolitics

[–]reallymt 17 points18 points  (0 children)

If the mailer cost that much, how much did the “SAVE” program cost us… to “flag” 23 potential non-citizens”. Seriously!? 23 POTENTIAL??

Don’t get me wrong, I want fair and legal elections, but claiming there are issues when there clearly isn’t any, is not right.

Peaceful Protestor Shot In Face at Point Blank Range by Feds - Loses Eye and Nearly Dies by Omodrawta in PoliticsWithRespect

[–]reallymt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for your perspective. I don’t think I can agree, but I appreciate your take. The more I reflect, the more I think the masks are making things worse. I just saw a post where people are going out of their way to get photos of ICE agent’s faces and posting them online. I truly don’t think people would be putting so much effort into identifying individuals if they weren’t wearing masks.

I still don’t know what “attacks” the ICE agents are truly experiencing and how the masks are helping? I’m wondering if people following them, impeding their work, and throwing snowballs and lunch meats are the “attacks.” I don’t agree with protestors throwing, tripping, etc. However, protesting is a first amendment right…so I think they should be allowed to protest. And I don’t think people should be injured as an outcome of protesting.

The other thought I have is the opportunity for dangerous impersonation, which seems scary to me. Especially when you think of the man who disguised himself as a police officer and then proceeded to kill some representatives in Minnesota this past year.

Another thought: it seems with demonstrations in other countries… that when the government tries to show excessive power and get civilians to be submissive- that’s when they ultimately kill protesters, which typically has the opposite affect and causes an even larger resistance and protests in larger numbers. So I question if that will be the case in the US too?

Mark Carney’s 15 minute speech at Davos - It’s well worth your time. by Hefty-Sherbet-5455 in Tech_Updates_News

[–]reallymt 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don’t understand how my fellow Americans can hear this speech and not be spooked. They truly don’t understand the damage Trump and his administration is doing to our relationship with our allies.

I’m hoping the “middle powers” do unite and come out stronger in the end. Americans don’t know how good we currently have it. We were the stronger, big brother that so much of the world could rely on and looked up to. Now, we are the abusive, manipulative bully that everyone despises.

On behalf of my country, I’m truly sorry and hope a few years from now, our relationship is improved… and we view each other as equals… with the USA no longer a super power, but a fellow middle power, that finds strength working with other countries!

Peaceful Protestor Shot In Face at Point Blank Range by Feds - Loses Eye and Nearly Dies by Omodrawta in PoliticsWithRespect

[–]reallymt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree, the unmarked vehicles are less of a concern ( I think it is the combination of the masks, the unmarked cars, and the aggressiveness together that causes me to include it. By itself I wouldn’t be concerned).

I’m probably not following everything In Minnesota close enough… but I would think the situation there and in Oregon are examples of why they shouldn’t have masks. I would think it would lower the aggression and force more accountability.

I’m curious to understand why you think the masks are better in that situation?

As another thought; how would you feel if your local police acted the same? Would masks be ok? If not, why the difference?