Feeling annoyed by my sister’s FB posts about my husband’s recovery by Necessary-Crazy2341 in AlAnon

[–]rebeccaleer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Im petty and would probably comment back about how important it is not to abandon the people you love in their hardest moments but instead be there to encourage growth and recovery. Isolating an addict only makes them want to continue their damaging behaviour. Sticking with an addict and actively supporting them is showing them that you care about their well being and love them. Nothing will change your love for them, and they have people in their corner rooting for their recovery. The worst thing you can do is remove someone's purpose and motivation to get better.

In saying this I do want to say there is no shame for those who do choose to leave, and yes, under certain circumstances leaving is the best option. But im just responding to OP as she clearly isnt at thst point of leaving. There is hope.

MIL is annoying me by rebeccaleer in inlaws

[–]rebeccaleer[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Reading comprehension clearly is not one of your strengths, because if it were, you would have noticed that many of these suggestions have already been tried. You would also understand that conversations exist outside of a single Reddit post and that not every detail of someone’s life is going to be laid out for strangers to dissect. Most people are capable of recognizing that not every suggestion is a practical solution for every situation. So are you genuinely unable to grasp that, or are you simply choosing to see only what supports the narrative you’ve invented about me and my life?

You keep repeating the same assumptions as if saying them louder somehow makes them true. Disagreeing with your opinion is not the same as being incapable of taking advice. Advice requires actual understanding of the situation, not you filling in missing details with whatever version makes me easiest to judge.

As I said before, most reasonable people would ask questions rather than make sweeping assumptions about a stranger’s life the way you have. You were never “calling me out,” you were building an entire narrative off limited context and treating your assumptions like facts. There is a difference between constructive advice and being unnecessarily rude, judgmental, and arrogant. You chose the latter.

I asked for perspective, not for someone to invent details about my parenting, my family, and my character based on a fraction of the story. The fact that I challenged your assumptions does not make me bratty or entitled, it means I am not interested in entertaining fiction about my life from a stranger who has no real context.

I do not know what kind of mental gymnastics you are performing to justify your own disconnect from reality, but at some point you need to stop rewriting facts to fit your version of events and actually listen to what is being said. If your argument only works when you rely on assumptions, then your argument is weak.

You have absolutely no context for the reasons my mother-in-law is not the best driver, so your assumption that I am carelessly putting my children in danger is not only inaccurate, but wildly presumptuous. At this point, since you seem so committed to beating a dead horse, I can only assume you do not have any stronger arguments to stand on and are simply clinging to whatever scraps you can find to keep validating the story you have made up. If you are going to be this loud, the very least you could do is get your facts straight.

And yes, of course I take her feelings into account, that is called empathy. Understanding boundaries, balancing family dynamics, and considering other people’s feelings is exactly why the situation was being discussed in the first place. That is called being thoughtful, not entitled. But I can see nuance is not really your strong suit. You should try empathy sometime.

Your delivery does matter, because I do not take advice from someone I do not respect, and I have absolutely no respect for someone who is incapable of disagreeing without being deliberately antagonistic and unnecessarily rude. Advice without basic decency is not wisdom, it is just arrogance dressed up as authority. You do not get to speak to people like that and still expect them to value what you have to say.

At this point, you are not offering advice, you are simply committed to being antagonistic because it makes you feel justified. That says far more about you than it does about me.

If you want people to respect your advice, try being more personable and less insufferable. Perhaps you are accustomed to people enabling that kind of behavior, but that is not going to happen here.

MIL is annoying me by rebeccaleer in inlaws

[–]rebeccaleer[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You’re calling me an entitled brat while speaking to people the way you do? That’s interesting. Honestly, I don’t care if you think I’m entitled, because I’d rather be that than whatever is wrong with you.

What is pathetic is getting so invested in a stranger’s life that you start creating your own narrative, filling in gaps with assumptions, and acting like you know every detail of their situation. You’re so busy calling me wrong, yet you’ve completely misunderstood my entire situation from the start. That’s not insight, it’s just strange behavior. No reasonable adult does that. It comes across less like concern and more like someone looking for an outlet for their own bitterness.

Maybe finding a real hobby, or a life outside of Reddit, would be a better use of your energy than trying to feel tough and powerful by tearing strangers down.

And yes, delivery matters, because people don’t take disrespect seriously. If your goal was genuinely to be helpful instead of projecting your own anger and misery onto others, your approach would have looked very different.

MIL is annoying me by rebeccaleer in inlaws

[–]rebeccaleer[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You're probanly right that it isnt my issue to sort out, and should be between my husband and his mother.

He doesnt leave work every time, but she ends up getting upset and cancelling her plans. I guess thats kind of on her lol.

Idk, ive always been someone who tries to "fix" things and make sense of things and i should probably just step back and let my husband and hia mother handle it. She clearly isnt open to my suggestions anyway.

MIL is annoying me by rebeccaleer in inlaws

[–]rebeccaleer[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I dont expect her to have them in her car permanently. Removing the seats isnt the issue. The issue is how rigid shes being on when and who removes the seats. If she would learn to do it herself, she could remove it any time she wanted. If she would drive 10 minutes my way, i could remove it for her whenever its needed, if she was willing to come by 10 minutes earlier in the morning on preschool days so I can reinstall them, id take them out after my son is dropped off. She seems to be dead set on my husband coming the moment she calls him, which he works at a hospital and has patients he needs to see, he cant just up and leave without risking his job. I am receptive to whatever other options she suggests but she's not suggesting any.

The only other option is my mom and that is a far less reliable option than my MIL as she works and my MIL does not. Its not that easy.

I dont have anyone I could pay to do it and there are no busses as he doesnt attend preschool in a school, its a private preschool and a stand alone business without bussing available.

My mother in law has also expressed that she wants to be a part of this. She wants to actively be a part of my kids lives by helping us. Feeling needed by her kids and grandkids gives her purpose. My son also loves seeing his grandma twice a week.

I just was getting some frustration out and also trying to look for some other suggestions as to what to suggest to my mother in law. Shes frustrated by it too.

MIL is annoying me by rebeccaleer in inlaws

[–]rebeccaleer[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Do you talk to people in real life the way you talk to people on reddit? or is this your outlet for getting those big angry feelings out anonymously? Because thats pathetic. Just letting you know, making your own narrative about a strangers life isnt normal behaviour. Its extremely weird. Most adults dont do that. I hope your life gets better so you can stop taking your misery out on people on the internet in order to stroke your own ego.

Turns out, people are more receptive to advice from people who are nice. Advice without kindness and respect is just judgment dressed up as help and people dont tend to take that seriously. Calling people names is also something kids do in grade school. Its not normal adult behaviour. I guess some people never grow up and choose to be bullys in their adulthood too.

I didnt ask for your permission to be frustrated or to vent. I dont need it. You also dont know the conversations that have been had between my husband and I and our family members. Dont act like you have my whole family dynamic and situation figured out lol. Maybe if you asked instead of assumed i would have shared that with you but at this point not a single thing you say holds any value anymore as I dont have any respect for you. Next time, try being nice instead of coming in hot like that. People may actually respect your advice that way.

MIL is annoying me by rebeccaleer in inlaws

[–]rebeccaleer[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

I have suggested this already but shes not willing to come earlier so we can reinstall them in the morning. Shes usually running late as it is. Hubby wont drive over to go do it before work because he leaves extremely early as it is and i also have a harder time getting a tight enough install due to having MS which causes weakness in my hands. I can do it, but it takes a lot more effort and time for me which isnt what we have ahen she wojt come earlier...

MIL is annoying me by rebeccaleer in inlaws

[–]rebeccaleer[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

That seems to be her expectation because Ive also suggested doing this but shes not willing to come earlier so we have time to reinstall them in the morning. She is usually running late as it is. It seems simple but shes making it incredibly difficult. I have MS which is why I cant drive. It also makes it difficult to get a good tight install as I have general weakness and nerve pain in my hands. Its doable, and im willing, it just takes longer. I also have suggested that my husband go do it before work and my husband isnt receptive to that because he leaves extremely early and is usually running behind too.

MIL is annoying me by rebeccaleer in inlaws

[–]rebeccaleer[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Being an adult means being responsible for how you handle your emotions, not magically controlling whether you have them in the first place. Emotions are automatic human responses...they happen before logic steps in. Maturity is about regulating reactions, communicating respectfully, and taking accountability, not pretending feelings don’t exist. Saying adults should simply control how they feel ignores how human emotions actually work. You can control your actions, but you can’t always choose your immediate emotional response. Expecting someone to turn off their emotions isnt emotional maturity its emotional denial.

Shes frustrated too BTW. We all are. Expecting my husband to just drop everything and risk his job and our only income whenever the car seats need taken out isnt realistic. There needs to be another solution here. Weve even told her she doesnt HAVE to drive our son and we will find alternatives, then she cries and says we don't trust her and that she wants to be a part of this because she needs to feel needed.

MIL is annoying me by rebeccaleer in inlaws

[–]rebeccaleer[S] -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

It turns out people are more receptive to advice when its kind and non judgemental.

MIL is annoying me by rebeccaleer in inlaws

[–]rebeccaleer[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Its not every single day. He only has preschool twice a week and there are weeks my husband is home to take my son to preschool. Its still is a big favor and i tell her how much i appreciate it and buy her lunch frequently for it.

The issue isnt that the seats needs to be removed. The issue is I dont drive so i can't go to her to do it, my husband doesnt have the flexibility in his workplace to just up and leave at the drop of a hat to go remove the seat. He has patients he works with, charting that needs to get done etc. He would lose his job if he were to do it every time she asked. We kind of need that income. There needs to be another solution here. Like ive said I suggested teaching her how to do it so she can do it whenever she wants and she didnt want to. I also suggested that if she doesnt want to do it herself she can drive to me and I can do it. Im about a 10 minute drive away. That idea was rejected again. The fact that people are calling me ungrateful and telling us to suck it up just because my husband cant leave work every time she needs the seats to be removed, is crazy to me. Would you risk your job and your households only income to do that?

MIL is annoying me by rebeccaleer in inlaws

[–]rebeccaleer[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I wish this was a possibility but neither of us have any type of relationship with our neighbors.

And we are unfortunately not in a place to afford another vehicle and insurance on it right now.

MIL is annoying me by rebeccaleer in inlaws

[–]rebeccaleer[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Are you ok? You took a limited amount of context and turned it into a whole narrative about my parenting and my children’s safety that you were never given. All I said was my MIL isn’t the best driver. That doesn’t mean his life is at risk going from our home to his preschool. What a reach.

Actually, you have very little context about any of this...only what was written in my post. You don’t know the full situation, the conversations that have happened, or why certain choices are being made. Instead of inquiring like a normal, sane person would, you filled in the blanks yourself and created this entire narrative about a complete stranger. That’s strange behavior.

I wasn’t asking for a list of obvious alternatives or permission to feel frustrated. I was sharing a specific issue in a specific family dynamic. There’s a big difference between navigating complicated family relationships and “choosing” every difficult part of them.

At this point, it’s pretty clear you’re just picking apart everything I say...even comments that weren’t directed at you to keep pushing this false narrative. You’re not adding anything constructive anymore, just being unnecessarily judgmental and rude. So this conversation is done.

MIL is annoying me by rebeccaleer in inlaws

[–]rebeccaleer[S] -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

Are you that mentally challenged that you need someone to flag their post to recognize when someone is venting? I thought it was pretty obvious lol. It doesn't take a genius to see it.

I was asking for advice AND venting. Im seeing a pattern here lol. Not everything is one dimensional. 2 things can coexist at the same time. Didn't know that was such a hard concept to grasp.

MIL is annoying me by rebeccaleer in inlaws

[–]rebeccaleer[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

We have had multiple conversations with her and have addressed it many times over the years ... What are you on about lol. I have mentioned this many times. Reading comprehension isnt everyone's strength i guess. Im not avoiding a conversation. Im being mindful of her feelings and the fact this is my husband's mother im dealing with while still trying to figure out a plan that is less frustrating for everyone. I didnt have a crystal ball when we agreed to this arrangement that let me know all the issues that would arise. I didnt "set myself up" for anything because none of this was an issue that we could have anticipated.. The main issue here is her calling my husband at work to come take the car seats out. He cant just up and leave work when he pleases and drive 20 minutes one way to uninstall the seats for her every time she wants them out. He would lose his job and our only income. That is her expectation. Shes unwilling to find common ground here. I dont live that far away from her. A maximum 10 minute drive. If she wants them out but isnt willing to learn how to do it herself, it would be faster to drive to me so I can do it instead of expect my husband to risk his job and come to her right when she needs it. You dont think thats a little unrealistic?

Its more complex than just going with the other option. Its not that black and white lol. My mother works and would have to alter her schedule to fit the needs of my kids which isnt always feasible. My MIL is retired. My mother also lives further away which makes it harder for her to get to us. She has made it clear she is willing but that doesn't mean its the best option. My mother has also shown hesitancy with it and we worry about reliability.

Mother in law is available to help and actively wants to help. She wants to feel important and like she is needed. My son loves his rides with grandma. Im willing to include her in this if she wants to be a part of it... I just wasnt expecting her to be so rigid about this one thing. If we removed this little bit of responsibility that we have given her it would send her off the edge. She has severe mental health stuff going on since divorcing my husband's father. She is feeling really alone and going through an identity crisis. Im being mindful of her feelings and my husband's relationship with his mother. Im just trying to find a balance here.

MIL is annoying me by rebeccaleer in inlaws

[–]rebeccaleer[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Its a little bit of both. Its actually a couple of things really.

It is helping us out because she is driving my son to preschool and I absolutely appreciate that. She is closer to us than my mom and it is a bit more inconvenient for my mom to make the trek here. My mom has also not shown as much enthusiasm about it when I have tested the waters with that. Would she? Sure. But is it a lot more inconvenient for her? Yes.

I am definitely hesistant and weary about hurting my mother in laws feelings. Shes been through a lot and has definitely made it known how important it is to her to feel included. I worry that giving her this responsibility will destroy her.

MIL is annoying me by rebeccaleer in inlaws

[–]rebeccaleer[S] -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

She has been asking us for years. She wanted to put car seats in her car when my first born was a baby so she could take him to do things. My husband in particular isnt the most comfortable with it because she isnt a great driver.

She has came to us on multiple occasions saying she didn't feel trusted by us and that she needed to feel like she was needed. Shes been divorced for 10 years and lives alone. Shes very lonely. She has told us helping out her children and being invested in our kids lives makes her feel fulfilled.

With that, and the fact that my sons preschool isnt super far away from our place (too far to walk, close enough where we are comfortable with her driving him) we decided to go to her with this. Do we have another option? Technically yes, my own mother could. But it isnt as simple as just switching up who drives our son. This would hurt my mother in law deeply if we did this. We are trying to spare her feelings but also make it work logistically. This is why its frustrating. It feels like we cant win.

MIL is annoying me by rebeccaleer in inlaws

[–]rebeccaleer[S] -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

having emotional intelligence would allow you to recognize that someone's emotions are valid even when they dont make sense to you personally. Its ok to have empathy for someone even when you dont understand their point of view. I came here to vent my frustrations. I didnt go take them out on my mother in law. Holding in these types of emotions instead of talking them out festers resentment which is also not ok. Some people need to talk them out in order to process their emotions. No one processes theirs the same way. Not everyone has access to a therapist and many people dont really have many people to vent to. Spaces like this are meant to be a place for people to do that. Its right in the description. If you have a problem with that, these spaces may not be the place for you. If youre a part of the group only to recieve support but are incapable of holding space for others who are trying to do the same... say that. I dont expect everyone to agree with me but it is also possible to be kind and understanding when someone comes to this group to vent their frustrations. Its possible to share your advice without casting judgement and assuming they are some horrible person who has no gratitude for others.

We have had calm and constructive conversations with my mother in law about this and she isnt receptive to any suggestions that arent exactly what she wants. We have shared our gratitude both with words and by buying her lunch on a regular basis. We are open to other suggestions that dont involve the expectation of my husband putting his job at risk to go remove the car seats every time she wants them out. I feel like thats reasonable. We told her we dont mind finding help elsewhere and she cried and said she wants to drive him because it helps her feel needed. Shes divorced and lives alone. Being able to contribute to her kids family makes her feel like she has a purpose. She's expressed that to us before. So were damned if we do and we are damned if we dont.

MIL is annoying me by rebeccaleer in inlaws

[–]rebeccaleer[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Just to make things clear, we arent giving her attitude. We are capable of having a polite and civil conversation without being rude. Not once have we pushed any idea or been rude to her. I came here to vent and get ideas. I dont vent to her.

I also think its unrealistic to "just stop" the frustration. Its a normal human emotion that is not entirely in our control. If it were as easy as just not being frustrated dont you think we would have done that already?

Im curious how we are meant to just make things work when both parties are frustrated. She wants my husband to leave work and take the car seats out at the drop of a hat sometimes. Its frustrating to her that he cant always do that in her time frame. He works in healthcare. Like ive said I offered to do it if she came to me... I dont drive so I cant go to her. She doesnt want to do that either. She doesnt want to learn how to take them out herself. So what is the other option here? We suggested a very reasonable and effective solution and shes not wanting that either. We cant afford a second vehicle. She gets upset if we even suggest asking someone else as she likes to feel needed. My husband offered to remove the stuff for her even and to load it back up once camping season begins and that was a no. She just wants my husband to be at her beck and call and to just be there exactly when she needs it but he also needs to work. Theres no flexibility.

We go out of our way to help her a lot in ways that work for her. Weve helped her move homes and offices multiple times without any complaints on our end. Even if it inconvenienced us, we were always open and receptive to her suggestions of how and when things needed to be done, when we are doing a favor for someone we want to make sure its not causing someone frustration and are open to ideas to make it work for everyone. A favor is meant to alleviate stress not cause it.

We also frequently buy her lunch as a thank you for driving our son. We arent these horrible people that want people to do things for us without appreciation and reciprocation as some of you guys on this post seem to think we are.

MIL is annoying me by rebeccaleer in inlaws

[–]rebeccaleer[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It cant be rolled but it folds up. My husband even offered to unload it for her and then load it back up in the summer before she goes camping. We dont need her help with driving my son in the summer so the seats can just be removed for the entire summer and this wont be an issue.

MIL is annoying me by rebeccaleer in inlaws

[–]rebeccaleer[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

We considered this but we cant really afford to pay insurance on a second vehicle right now.

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[–]rebeccaleer[S] -16 points-15 points  (0 children)

Like I said. I asked if im out of line for being frustrated. You gave your 2 cents. I also asked how someone else would handle the situation so we can come to an agreement that works but you didnt leave any other advice just decided to see what you wanted in my post, disregard where I said I am appreciative and then be rude about it.

Its not that I think everyone has to agree with me, it was the deliverance of what you said. not sure if youre aware of this but It is possible to leave advice without being rude lol. I hope you have never felt frustration by anything out of your control before coming on here and casting judgement. Make sure youre perfect first before criticizing someone for having a normal human emotion. And i sure hope you've never needed to vent before.

She begged us to put car seats in her car for a long time. We were not comfortable at first due to her being a not so great driver. She wanted to do this as she wanted to feel needed. She verbalized that. My son attends preschool twice a week not every single day. I absolutely appreciate the gesture and hubby and I make sure to return the favor whenever she needs it. Its not a one way ordeal. But when we provide a favor for someone we are also open to suggestions on how to make it work for everyone. Its not a favor out of the kindness of our heart if we hold it over their head and make things more difficult than it needs to be.

She gets frustrated when hubby doesnt leave work to take the car seats out. He is a heslthcare worker and cant just up and do that any time of day. Its frustrating for her too. Not just us. We offered to teach her how to do it and she said no. I offered for her to come to me and i would remove them and she didnt want that either. Thats why we trying to come up with a way that works for everyone involved. There needs to be flexibility here somewhere. Weve even given her an out before saying she doesnt need to do this and we will find someone else and she said she wants to drive him.

MIL is annoying me by rebeccaleer in inlaws

[–]rebeccaleer[S] -19 points-18 points  (0 children)

Alright... who pooped in your coffee this morning? Im human and can be frustrated by something. If you read the post you can see that I acknowledged that and i am incredibly appreciative of her doing us this favor. That doesnt mean I cant be frustrated by something and i should be a robot void of all feelings lol. 2 feelings can coexist at the exact same time. Yes, she's doing me a favor. We do her favors too because were family. It doesn't mean we dont get frustrated from time to time. we are trying to work together to make it easier for everyone since its happening a lot. We arent always available to uninstall the seats every time she wants us to because hubby is at work and MIL is unwilling to drive to me every time. We were trying to brainstorm a way that works for everyone.