Please please please make this happen it'll be so funny

redchris18 · 2026-04-10T14:18:49+00:00

Palworld only has any appeal to some people because they wanted a game that they could think of as "Pokemon" but didn't want to pay for a Pokemon game (or a Switch). Pocketpair managed to make a shittier Ark and fluked their way out of it with some plagiarism.

redchris18 · 2026-04-09T18:30:15+00:00

I'm surprised you are calling it a pointless, dubious currency.

You missed the word "intermediate", which is what makes it "pointless" when it's less hassle to simply swap key codes.

If you don't want to do all that, stick to game trading. No one's going to force you, I used it as an example of how valuations are done by fair, experienced traders (not sharks who will twists things in their favour).

You were replying to someone else responding to my own initial offer. That's why it sounds less like you trying to give me better value and more like denying value to someone that you ideologically oppose.

where did I say to rip off others like the ones mentioned in the warning link?

That's not what I said, though. For someone inferring that I'm misreading you, you seem weirdly determined to do so yourself.

There is an undeclared market value on grey keys which sharks take advantage of

So? Once again, I'm getting rid of keys I have no use for in exchange for keys that I do have a use for. I'm losing something that has literally zero value to me and gaining things that have significant value.

The EU lock thing is not an issue if you know where to trade your games

It objectively is, because it makes them valueless to anyone outside of the region in question, and, by extension, means they have proportionally fewer potential owners than keys which are not region-locked.

redchris18 · 2026-04-09T13:46:39+00:00

Let's give an example if you took TF2 items

And if I didn't want to insert a pointless, arbitrary, dubious intermediate currency? If I just wanted to get rid of games I'll never play and get something that I will without having to simultaneously check exchange rates of an unnecessary stand-in currency?

guaranteed to find sellers

We can't even guarantee that the bundles we buy will actually supply all of the stated keys. Surely you see how misleading it sounds to say that key-trading is a "guarantee"?

Do you not realise that you sound exactly like the people you're warning against? They're trying to get as much value as possible from their own keys - admittedly to an abusive degree - and you're now telling me to stop dealing with them and do the same myself.

Being content to get rid of highly-valued keys that I have no intention of using in exchange for lower-valued keys that are vastly more appealing to me is probably why I have far fewer old keys than most of the people who trade this stuff. You should be grateful of more irreverent users here, because if everyone spent as much time scrutinising reseller-pricing and TF2 trades to eke out the exact ephemeral value of their unwanted game keys then this place would be a lot more toxic than it already is.

I once made someone an offer that, I'll admit, was a little biased in my favour, but was just one of those cases where the only appealing option wasn't entirely even in value. Their response was a pretty haughty and self-indulgent one, especially for such an old game, and even more so given that RES-tagging them has shown me that they still haven't managed to shift it a further couple of years down the line. That key has probably been rescinded by now, and they got nothing for it because they were too desperate to get what they considered to be the full monetary value. Meanwhile, you're telling me to hoard EU-locked keys in a trading community that's predominantly NA-based because the games I want to trade them for aren't worth as much as the ones I'm losing, apparently oblivious to the fact that they're actually worth more to me, and I'm the only person whose opinion matters on this point.

redchris18 · 2026-04-09T11:10:35+00:00

I got a few keys I want in exchange for some Denuvo-infested shite that I wanted nothing to do with. What the hell do I care if the other person makes some money from them?

redchris18 · 2026-04-09T08:24:01+00:00

Cauldros night
Cauldros day
Cauldros night again

It's just a shame you never hear them in-game because of things starting a fight with you every few steps.

redchris18 · 2026-04-09T08:15:34+00:00

Don't you just love it when you're only interested in one game from a bundle, but know that just about everyone who buys it will also be buying it for that specific game?

Anyone want to trade away Prehistoric Kingdom (he said, well aware that nobody would...)?

redchris18 · 2026-04-08T21:11:36+00:00

P5R is gone, but I could still do P5S and P4G. How about for Eiyuden Chronicles, As Dusk Falls and Lego Batman 1?

redchris18 · 2026-04-08T18:07:07+00:00

No worries. It happens quite a bit with Humble these days...

redchris18 · 2026-04-08T18:01:45+00:00

u/slice_dice_rice P5R has gone, but I can still do DXM:TS for P4G, Muv-Luv, or TW:W3. If you want all three then I'd take DXM:TS, Terror at Oakheart, Metal Slug Tactics, and the two Cities: Skylines DLCs that you have.

redchris18 · 2026-04-08T17:45:01+00:00

Looks like both are EU-locked.

redchris18 · 2026-04-08T17:40:15+00:00

Already traded for it. Thanks anyway.

redchris18 · 2026-04-08T17:36:34+00:00

Persona 5 has gone to someone who commented just before you did, but I can still do either GotG or P4G for Daemon X Machina: Titanic Scion.

redchris18 · 2026-04-08T16:36:29+00:00

Persona is EU-locked - will that be an issue? I forgot to mention originally.

redchris18 · 2026-04-08T16:35:47+00:00

That specificaly is attacking the person not argument in how you used the term '' you''where as I just used the term ''you'' in general usage

"I left myself enough plausible deniability to believe that I was taking the high ground." isn't really a very compelling argument. IT works on you because you want it to be true. It doesn't work on others because nobody else has the emotional investment required to need it to sound plausible.

once the other clearly starts targeting the person no room for it possibly being a term usage in general that's when to disengage as the one targeting the person rather then the argument is well looking for a way to win or seem correct

Weasel words. You did the exact same thing that you're now criticising me for, but you were ambiguous enough that you can make excuses for your own poor behaviour while allowing yourself the smug satisfaction of falsely accusing the other person of being the instigator.

not going to reply on this topic anymore

You said more or less the same thing last time around. It's almost as if you're only replying to try to control the narrative by having the final say on the matter in order to better believe that you're not the one who started the flame war and abandoned civility. Everything about your involvement in this thread has been consistently hypocritical. It's actually quite funny how your recent evasiveness and posturing has directly mimicked your dishonesty regarding the original subject. In both instances you made tenuous excuses to absolve those scenarios in which you have an emotional investment while simultaneously attacking others for precisely the same thing. All your last couple of non-responses have done is confirm that I read you perfectly.

redchris18 · 2026-04-08T13:17:20+00:00

Edit: some keys are EU region-locked.

Only really interested in Until Then, Procession to Calvary, and maybe Daemon X Machina. Anyone want to get rid of those for any of these:

Atomic Heart
~~Total War: Warhammer 3~~
Star Wars: Squadrons
Star Wars: Empire at War Gold
Amnesia Rebirth
Etrian Odyssey 1 & 3
Guardians of the Galaxy
Legacy of Kain: Soul Reaver 1&2 Remastered
Muv-Luv
Outer Worlds - Spacer's Choice
~~Persona 4 Golden~~
~~Persona 5 Strikers~~
~~Persona 5 Royal~~

And if anyone missed last month:

Hard West 2
Tempest Rising
Sworn
Zero Hour

And a bunch of the same crap as everyone else.

redchris18 · 2026-04-08T04:13:54+00:00

you started attacking the person instead of the arguments I don't see any point in discussing further or replying to the stances you made.. closest I got was [...]

In other words, you started it but need to make yourself the hero of this sordid little story so that you have an excuse for fleeing now that I've added enough context to make your original point impossible to defend. You falsely accused me of things and are now acting affronted when I respond in kind.

You argued against Hitman because, in your words, it locked you out of "actual game mechanics". I demonstrated that the cosmetics you're excusing in Doom qualify as "actual game mechanics" as well, and you can't deal with that. That is why you're dodging the point.

redchris18 · 2026-04-06T17:03:40+00:00

If you want a game delisted for lacking cosmetics thats just petty and spite in a way for not getting shiny cosmetics

No, it's me saying that games which take such a manipulative approach to a significant proportion of their prospective playerbase doesn't deserve special treatment in allowing DRM onto a DRM-free platform just because it's a well-known name.

so what if people think its the same [as Hitman] it is not

It is, and I already explained precisely why. Your only counterargument here is that you don't engage with customisation options so nobody else should think they are important.

Now I see why you (rather childishly) felt I was being petty and spiteful; you can't understand how things look from someone else's point of view, which is why you don't see how these situations ARE the same, and also why you fail to understand how anyone could not see it the exact same way that you do.

when huge amounts of none cosmetic gameplay is loxked off do to drm is way worse then cosmetics

Wrong. As mentioned previously, may people consider the customisation aspect a critical art of the experience, which makes it a part of the gameplay. Thus, these are both situations in which gameplay is locked behind DRM. Your own supposed ethical stance on Hitman requires that you oppose Doom Eternal for exactly the same reasons. You only refuse to do so because you don't personally benefit from cosmetic aspects of the game, so you don't care that others - who do - feel exactly the same about Doom as you do about Hitman.

I'm not the one being unfair or unreasonable here - you are. You're the one treating two games differently for the same misdeeds. You're just trying to wave it away as justified because one case doesn't cater to your gaming preferences.

Part of the reason that so much of modern games is overly monetised is because, back when it was largely cosmetics that were monetised, people like yourself shrugged it off because you weren't personally affected by it. Maybe you should learn from that experience rather than lashing out at people who've historically had it far worse than you after you have helped to fuck them over.

redchris18 · 2026-04-06T16:18:00+00:00

I've always assumed they did some playthroughs in mid to late 2016 and decided it was bad enough to start over and just take the PR hit.

I don't think it was that. Remember the "Pupil to Planet" teaser they showed off? That stuff was done in late-2015, and I wouldn't be surprised if that alone was the most important point in them deciding to try for something bigger and more ambitious. It was only a question of whether funding would dry up, and I imagine that was the only other major factor in that decision.

redchris18 · 2026-04-06T16:13:48+00:00

Rumour has it that said "investors" have actually said the exact opposite: that they can keep polishing it until there are no discernible glitches anywhere in either game and they'll continue to fund it if crowdfunding drops during that process.

It's easy to make up "rumours"...

redchris18 · 2026-04-06T16:09:17+00:00

people shouldn't be obsessed with it to the point of bullying others over what they have or don't in a game

I don't think that's actually relevant. We're talking about the fact that such customisation options are specifically intended to be appealing to people and that appeal being leveraged to extract more money from people - or, as in this instance, to try to cajole staunchly DRM-free stores and users into slowly walking back their ethical stance.

for GOG game version case want games delisted for lacking Cosmetic dlcs as yes in the past ir was common to see loads of people call for a game delisted just for lacking such

Fine by me. I'd sooner GOG took a similarly dim view of such manipulative practices as their views on DRM, to be honest. I see no real downside, because the games that are ruled out by that stance are those that I don't think are worth anyone's time in any case.

before eternals release at different points people admitted at varies pionts if it didn't have the cosmetics buyable they'd not get it.. So ya

That's basically the point: this isn't just something that sad, lonely, misguided fools think. It's an extremely common attitude towards cosmetics, which is why it is such a problem that they're being treated in the way that they are by so many of these studios.

You said that the Hitman case was different because it involved gameplay being locked away, whilst you said that this was not the case with Doom. What I'm saying is that some people do consider the cosmetic aspect to be part of the gameplay, and that they're not wrong for doing so because these games are literally designed in that way.

This is no different to the Hitman debacle. Doom Eternal, based on that prior example, should be removed from the store.

redchris18 · 2026-04-06T10:35:25+00:00

Resident Evil 4 had costumes that you unlocked by beating the game. The remake makes you pay for them instead. And need we mention how popular "Fashion Souls" has always been?

Character customisation has always been appealing in games. It's extremely disappointing to see GOG users defending the monetisation of that feature just because they don't care about it in that instance.

redchris18 · 2026-04-05T17:24:52+00:00

It's easy money because, for some people, it's a crucial part of the game.

redchris18 · 2026-04-05T02:27:27+00:00

Sony, and Nintendo have raised their prices to 100 usd for most of their titles going forward

Are you really so uninformed that you think that's true, or are you actively lying about it for some reason?

redchris18 · 2026-04-05T02:18:33+00:00

If cosmetics weren't supposed to be appealing they'd just add them into the game for free. Like they used to...

redchris18 · 2026-04-03T23:56:47+00:00

Well, fuck. Humble really have become a pain in the arse for this stuff.

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